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Nobody likes a braggart. :D

It did pivot Dr. Ford to the villain role.

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Are we to assume that the host being spun in the basement will replace Theresa?

I'm just going to go ahead and assume it. It's the perfect crime!

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I assume that's the case.

And then that leads to another question.

Was Bernard always Bernard?

Is he a robot clone of Arnold?

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I assume that's the case.

And then that leads to another question.

Was Bernard always Bernard?

Is he a robot clone of Arnold?


I think so. They conveniently covered up the name on his DaVinci drawing. They showed Dolores' name. And then Theresa asked something about "so is this what happened to Arnold?"

I also saw someone speculate on the picture they showed him of Arnold was of 2 guys off-center with room for another person on the right. We saw the picture from his POV so he may have been blocking out himself in the picture in the ol' "that doesn't look like anything to me" business.

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 Post subject: Re: HBO Westworld
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This show is interesting but kinda in danger of becoming "Lost" isn't it?


I'd like a theme park vacation based on Goodfellas or The Wire. Work your way up in Paulie's family or chase Marlo's crew


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Nobody likes a braggart. :D

It did pivot Dr. Ford to the villain role.


I'm not so sure it did. It seems to me that Delos wants to use Ford's technology for greater, perhaps nefarious, purposes and Ford is standing in the way by insisting that its usage remain confined to the park.

I do think FavreFan's idea that Ford might be Arnold's original robot and he killed Arnold and took over the park might have some merit.

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Delos is almost certainly using the technology for military purposes.

That doesn't change Ford having Teresa murdered. That's pretty villainous.

I still think Bernard is robot Arnold. Teresa was covering the name on the drawing.

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Delos is almost certainly using the technology for military purposes.

That doesn't change Ford having Teresa murdered. That's pretty villainous.


It's not really villainous if Delos is the villain.

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They really nailed the casting for the Delos chief executive. The way she talks down to people older than her just smacks of silicon valley smarm

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They really nailed the casting for the Delos chief executive. The way she talks down to people older than her just smacks of silicon valley smarm



fucking liberal elitist millennial Caller Bob, I hate em all!

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shakes wrote:
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They really nailed the casting for the Delos chief executive. The way she talks down to people older than her just smacks of silicon valley smarm



fucking liberal elitist millennial Caller Bob, I hate em all!



She's fucking hot though. They could have given us a better shot when she opened the door. I also like Thandie Newton rocking the full bush. Old school western robots!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
shakes wrote:
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They really nailed the casting for the Delos chief executive. The way she talks down to people older than her just smacks of silicon valley smarm



fucking liberal elitist millennial Caller Bob, I hate em all!



She's fucking hot though. They could have given us a better shot when she opened the door. I also like Thandie Newton rocking the full bush. Old school western robots!


That Delos girl was far too annoying to make up for it though. Thandie Newton looks good. And really brave for basically being naked for the entire show.

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I really want to know what Delos' plan for Westworld is. Ford seemed upset when Theresa accused him of playing God, and in turn said it was Delos trying to play God. Hopkins has been so good on this show. The way he can go from affable and charming to menacing within a scene is awesome. Definitely one of the best episodes this season.

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so who's gonna be recruited for Maeve's jail break gang? Hector for sure. I wonder who else she'll use. I'm guessing people from Hector's gang that comes to town every day and shoots everything up till a tourist comes by and shoots them all dead. That way Maeve can make sure her gang all dies and ends up back at the base where they can wake up and kick ass.

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Still think Ford is a robot too.

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Maeve can now act almost like Ford and craft stories on the fly in Westworld.

And did she and Felix "repair" Sylvester's cut throat?

Is he a host too?

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And did she and Felix "repair" Sylvester's cut throat?

Is he a host too?


I think he and Felix are both hosts, no? Isn't that how she controlled Felix to make him adjust her the way she wanted?

Also, more evidence that the MiB is the future William as he talked about getting married thirty years ago. I was having trouble grasping the timeline of when he killed Maeve's daughter though.

And the girl that MiB and Teddy find tied up is the greeter that helped William get dressed when he arrives at the park, right?

Finally, did Bernard flash on himself choking Elsie? That doesn't really make much sense. Why would Ford want to kill her for discovering that Theresa was smuggling data out of the park? I would think he'd want to give her a raise. But maybe Elsie was a host too.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
And did she and Felix "repair" Sylvester's cut throat?

Is he a host too?


I think he and Felix are both hosts, no? Isn't that how she controlled Felix to make him adjust her the way she wanted?

Also, more evidence that the MiB is the future William as he talked about getting married thirty years ago. I was having trouble grasping the timeline of when he killed Maeve's daughter though.

And the girl that MiB and Teddy find tied up is the greeter that helped William get dressed when he arrives at the park, right?

Finally, did Bernard flash on himself choking Elsie? That doesn't really make much sense. Why would Ford want to kill her for discovering that Theresa was smuggling data out of the park? I would think he'd want to give her a raise. But maybe Elsie was a host too.


I think that Elsie discovered that it was more than just Theresa stealing data.

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Also, more evidence that the MiB is the future William as he talked about getting married thirty years ago. I was having trouble grasping the timeline of when he killed Maeve's daughter though.

And the girl that MiB and Teddy find tied up is the greeter that helped William get dressed when he arrives at the park, right?



I'm guessing he killed the daughter about a year ago. That's when he realized extreme trauma could trigger something. So, then he came up with the plan to rape Dolores and tell her something to trigger her to go back on the trail that William(MiB) and she went on 30 years ago. So, we are seeing their journey 30 years ago and she is "flashing" to the present timeline where she is alone and everything is different. Or something.

That is the greeter.

This show is confusing as all Hell and I'm not sure it's worth the brainpower.

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So, we are seeing their journey 30 years ago and she is "flashing" to the present timeline where she is alone and everything is different. Or something.


I was confused by this at first, but I think I understand what you mean. Dolores is presently retracing her steps from that journey and she is alone. When we see her with William, she's flashing back to thirty years ago. That's why a couple episodes back when they first boarded the train with Lawrence there was a shot of Dolores all by herself when William and Lawrence should have been in the frame. That could make sense.

You're right, it is confusing as hell.

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So, we are seeing their journey 30 years ago and she is "flashing" to the present timeline where she is alone and everything is different. Or something.


I was confused by this at first, but I think I understand what you mean. Dolores is presently retracing her steps from that journey and she is alone. When we see her with William, she's flashing back to thirty years ago. That's why a couple episodes back when they first boarded the train with Lawrence there was a shot of Dolores all by herself when William and Lawrence should have been in the frame. That could make sense.

You're right, it is confusing as hell.


I don't know. I think that's what I'm watching. That would mean, if I saw things correctly, that the town that she apparently shot up (probably under Arnold's order) would have had to have been buried as early as 30 years ago because that's where William and she are.

So, she shoots up the town. Somehow Dolores is spared. Ford kills Arnold, creates Bernard (maybe), redoes all the 'bots in about 3 years, buries the town, and reopens the park for Logan and William to look at investment opportunities. Ford is pissed at her and puts her in an endless parent murdered rape loop as a punishment.

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I guess that doesn't explain why she sees herself dead, facedown in the river.

But, maybe she's done the current journey multiple times - which I guess they've hinted at previously with her weird timeline cuts at the farm a couple episodes ago.

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:lol: OK. Point taken.

I feel like "just going with it" would be what it's like to take cocaine.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
And did she and Felix "repair" Sylvester's cut throat?

Is he a host too?


I think he and Felix are both hosts, no? Isn't that how she controlled Felix to make him adjust her the way she wanted?

Also, more evidence that the MiB is the future William as he talked about getting married thirty years ago. I was having trouble grasping the timeline of when he killed Maeve's daughter though.

And the girl that MiB and Teddy find tied up is the greeter that helped William get dressed when he arrives at the park, right?

Finally, did Bernard flash on himself choking Elsie? That doesn't really make much sense. Why would Ford want to kill her for discovering that Theresa was smuggling data out of the park? I would think he'd want to give her a raise. But maybe Elsie was a host too.


I'm still not buying the theory that William is 30 years ago. Why would the town be buried 30 years ago? How old is this park? I thought it was only around 30-35 years old. William and Logan HAVE to be in the present, there's no way it makes any sense otherwise.

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Do you think William is now and MiB is in the past?

Because they are obviously in different times. Angela confirms that I think.

Unless there are multiples of the same hosts.

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Do you think William is now and MiB is in the past?

Because they are obviously in different times. Angela confirms that I think.

Unless there are multiples of the same hosts.



I think William and MIB are both from the present. MIB can't be from the past since he met up with old man Ford at a bar. William can't be MIB because William knows about the maze whereas MIB just learned about it. I don't think William is from the past because the church steeple is burned and the town is buried when he gets there.

What evidence has there been that William and MIB are from different time lines? If its out there, I've missed it. Which wouldn't be crazy cause this show is nuts.

I'm not sold on Felix and the other tech being robots just cause he was able to heal him with that gun thingie. Its the future, that could be how people are healed. Remember, they're made of the same material as humans so if it fixed an android it could also heal a human.

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Do you think William is now and MiB is in the past?

Because they are obviously in different times. Angela confirms that I think.

Unless there are multiples of the same hosts.



I think William and MIB are both from the present. MIB can't be from the past since he met up with old man Ford at a bar. William can't be MIB because William knows about the maze whereas MIB just learned about it. I don't think William is from the past because the church steeple is burned and the town is buried when he gets there.

What evidence has there been that William and MIB are from different time lines? If its out there, I've missed it. Which wouldn't be crazy cause this show is nuts.

I'm not sold on Felix and the other tech being robots just cause he was able to heal him with that gun thingie. Its the future, that could be how people are healed. Remember, they're made of the same material as humans so if it fixed an android it could also heal a human.



What makes you think MiB just learned about the maze? It seems like he's been trying to figure shit out for a long time and got really serious after his wife killed herself.

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More evidence that MiB is William - MiB says he has been married for 30 years and coming to the park for 30 years, William mentions he has a woman in the "real world" at home for him that he plans to marry.

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I kinda wish they had let that whiny tech guy die. Annoying character. I think he is human and the tool used to heal his neck was a hand held laser which cauterized the blood vessel.

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