Eddie can wail on the scales! Otherwise, he ain't all that.

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Actually he did more melodic chord playing with Hagar as he aged. IMHO.

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Hang up on yourself.

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Keep this thread on topic.

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The Fast and the Furious movies suck.

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Yeah on vh2 as well. I take it back.

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So does the poster

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This. Clapton Keep it.

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A rational argument for the existence of God is not religion. When divine providence is added, that is religion.

What is God without divine providence?

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Ronald Reagan

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The creator.

ok.

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Are you talking about ongoing intervention? There could be a dead or disinterested God.

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Those aren't the only possibilities. One being the universe was made for a purpose. They say necessity is the mother of invention. If you can wrap your head around that the possibilities become numerous. Frankly, atheists are in the shallow end of the pool and they're stuck there. No matter how they try to escape, they're right back where they started because every theory ends up having to have a beginning. So they lash out, RELIGION. Doesn't do them any good though.

So the only possible explanation is religion? Frankly, that seems rather shallow.

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Maybe. But if it isn’t right to pick on believers and their theory the the opposite has to be true. The atheist can believe what they are told is proof. Or they can even choose to not be bothered by it at all. I find it hard not to wonder about something though looking up at a clear unlit light at a million stars.

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I prefer to think of God in a religious sense but I just got done explaining that there are non-religious possibilities.

There's always a beginning, and something can't come from nothing. I wish we could get off the religion aspect but that seems to be impossible.

I'm attempting to appeal to the atheist. Simulation theory appeals to the atheist.

You said there were only two possibilities. I have no idea what you are talking about now.

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All I'm doing is responding to what you say. You said God=religion. I said there are other possibilities that God does not equal religion. I'm disappointed you start something and then can't follow along.

This is what started it.


In this case, God=religion. It's the concept that someone who was intelligent created our entire existence with a purpose. This is the fundamental basis of religion. It doesn't matter how active they are in it today or not. The concept of an intelligent creator(God) is religion. You can explain otherwise but you really have to stretch things to the point of making the whole definition useless by basically making any start of the universe a "creator" even if it was just a random collection of molecules.

Going back to the original point though, there is a pretty obvious third option, though it is the most depressing of all which is that we are basically the most advanced known chemical reactions in the universe. We exist just as the animals and plants do and for the same purpose which is to survive.

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Circled back again. Every chemical had a beginning, was created.

God could be a spiritual being, all knowing, and timeless. That would be religion. God could have accidently created, had no idea what he had done, and then went on his merry way, oblivious.

Lots of people on their high horses say there doesn't have to be a beginning. These are also the same people who look at every single other thing and say, a caused b, and b caused c. Everything has to go back to an unmoved or primal mover(see Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, Edward Feser), and there is zero chance of getting around that.

Another way of thinking about the Big Bang is that someone or something put it into motion. Newton's first law of motion states that "An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force." Who or what put things in motion?

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God has always been the answer to explain the unexplainable. As every decade passes, God explains less.

But in so far as human knowledge has been keeping score, Science is up approximately 10,000 to 0 on God, in things that can be explained.

God needs a coaching change...or maybe a good draft.

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It is certainly possible that chemicals were created by an intelligent being but it also clearly is not the only possible option.
This is further eroding your own point because no matter where you move it down the line, something had to exist that didn't have a beginning. Let's go with your accepted theory that "God" either accidentally or on purpose created everything we have and then disappeared. He either didn't have a beginning or he falls under the same concepts that you think prove his existence.

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