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I'm not sure what point he was trying to make, if any. but what he does- inadvertently, I'm sure- is show exactly how silly it is to put Clemente among the pantheon of Mantle, Mays, and Aaron. Clemente belongs in conversations with Al Kaline.

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That's fair. But baseball is just as sentimental as it is analytical (part of the charm, right?) and Clemente was the star on a historically beloved team, the best player of a charter franchise, and died young during his playing career doing charity work for a beleaguered colony. It's hard to begrudge the extra-credit points.

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That's fair. But baseball is just as sentimental as it is analytical (part of the charm, right?) and Clemente was the star on a historically beloved team, the best player of a charter franchise, and died young during his playing career doing charity work for a beleaguered colony. It's hard to begrudge the extra-credit points.


The Pirates are historically beloved?

Clemente was 38. It's young but he had a career.

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Uh, no. It sounds like exactly as many as he hit.



There was a graphic on a broadcast, think it was local cubs, with banks and Clemente stats and I think it was JD remarked that he was surprised that Clemente’s home rum number wasn’t higher. He wasn’t doubting the number just had assumed it would be higher. That’s about the only way the sentence makes sense “Damn, thought it would be higher than that” or something to that effect.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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That's fair. But baseball is just as sentimental as it is analytical (part of the charm, right?) and Clemente was the star on a historically beloved team, the best player of a charter franchise, and died young during his playing career doing charity work for a beleaguered colony. It's hard to begrudge the extra-credit points.


The Pirates are historically beloved?

Clemente was 38. It's young but he had a career.



I know I’ve heard over the years about how his career was cut short though... Legend grew in death obviously as 38 isn’t cutting a baseball career short. Obviously he was before my time so it’s interesting to see that,, I’m pretty sure I would have guessed early 30’s if I had been asked about his death a week ago.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Pirates are historically beloved?

The '71 and '79 Pirates seem to have a lot of warm feelings, not the franchise in general.

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If he hadn't been killed, he would had a solid chance at 3500 hits. Part of the legacy is that he was still playing very well at the end. No Willie Mays falling down in center field, or Ernie Banks posting a sub 300 OBP on one knee.

Tony Gwynn with better power, and with much better defensive range and elite arm.

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He had 3,000 hits, so clearly he had a full career. He just wasn't a real power hitter. He's closer to Pete Rose in homers (160) than he is to the real sluggers. Best arm ever though.

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He had 3,000 hits, so clearly he had a full career. He just wasn't a real power hitter. He's closer to Pete Rose in homers (160) than he is to the real sluggers. Best arm ever though.



Part of that is where he played. I think he and Kaline are the same guy. If they had swapped home parks Clemente would have the homers and Kaline would have the triples.

A lot of Clemente's legend is due to World Series highlight reels during Game of the Week rain delays.

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A lot of Clemente's legend is due to World Series highlight reels during Game of the Week rain delays.


Yeah, wasn't that called "A Touch of Royalty" or something? Seemed like it was aired every time there was a rain delay.

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I am of the age where the Pirates 71 WS was the first one I watched and comprehended, although I don't remember it. I do remember that whenever the Cubs played the Pirates, Brickhouse would be clear in telling viewers that Clemente was a special player (as he did with Aaron) which is why I paid attention to him as a kid.

Clemente is one of my favorite players who never played in Chicago. But even I will readily acknowlege that he is a step down from the greatest right fielders.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Pirates are historically beloved?

The '71 and '79 Pirates seem to have a lot of warm feelings, not the franchise in general.


I can't speak to '71 but the '79 warm feelings were probably due to the cocaine.

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When I think of guys that got cut down before their prime, I always go to Lyman Bostock.

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What I remember is the Pirates had cool uniforms and Clemente had a sing-songy name. R-R-Roberto Cle-ment-ay


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Ok another person continuing this myth.

“ But considering that nearly 50 percent of NFL fans are women, wouldn’t it have made sense to flout a trial balloon with one of the many women at ESPN who have been covering the NFL? I mean, it seems like a no-brainer here if you’re concerned about appealing to your female audience and cultivating new voices for the long-running brand.”

https://deadspin.com/of-course-two-white-guys-got-the-job-1844752885

I am sure there are plenty of women that like football. But most guys are getting the eye roll when they turn on football every Sunday.

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Ok another person continuing this myth.

“ But considering that nearly 50 percent of NFL fans are women, wouldn’t it have made sense to flout a trial balloon with one of the many women at ESPN who have been covering the NFL? I mean, it seems like a no-brainer here if you’re concerned about appealing to your female audience and cultivating new voices for the long-running brand.”

https://deadspin.com/of-course-two-white-guys-got-the-job-1844752885

I am sure there are plenty of women that like football. But most guys are getting the eye roll when they turn on football every Sunday.

So its Julie writing it.

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Nope it’s Barrow’s work...

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Nope it’s Barrow’s work...

With the typo? She must've at least had a hand in the editing then.

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Nope it’s Barrow’s work...

With the typo? She must've at least had a hand in the editing then.


Hah I didn’t even notice that. You have a discerning eye for trash, kind of hnd-esque.

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If women already make up 50% of the fan base, why would the NFL/networks need to change anything? To shoot for 60%? They undermine their argument with dumb statements like that. They would be better off saying women only comprise 20%.

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The original statement came from the NFL, but it is just a marketing ploy. Last I checked Soldier Field is like 80% male on Bears game, and thus the packed urinals.

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This isn’t a complicated topic. Nobody needs to do mental gymnastics on this. Men like sports by a significant majority over women, it’s nowhere close to 50/50. There’s no reason to pretend otherwise to humor some fake social movement :lol:

This is entirely an Extremely Online thing.

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The original statement came from the NFL, but it is just a marketing ploy. Last I checked Soldier Field is like 80% male on Bears game, and thus the packed urinals.

Very true. They actually convert some of the women’s restrooms to men’s restrooms for Bears games to try to provide bathroom balance.


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I'm not sure what point he was trying to make, if any. but what he does- inadvertently, I'm sure- is show exactly how silly it is to put Clemente among the pantheon of Mantle, Mays, and Aaron. Clemente belongs in conversations with Al Kaline.

alls i know is if clemente got a high school in chicago there oughta be a vladimir alvino guerrero high school somewhere in the world.

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btw JORR, what do you think of Mantle/Trout comparisons? as a vlad guy i'm tickled that the angels #27 goes vlad trout done if the angles don't fuck it up. keep those beer prices fair, arte!

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Don’t know if this is a July work but going after a 92-year-old man seems like something she would do.

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Fels. Vin Scully needs to die basically. Classy.

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Venezuela is obviously a success.

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I keep visiting DeadSpin, and that site is terrible. There is nothing interesting or fun on there anymore. It just seems like a shit lib paradise.

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