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The Bears have no leverage with Pritzker, since the Bears would never leave the state. It doesn't really matter to JB whether they're in Chicago or Arlington Heights.

This ain't gonna happen. It was a clown show today.

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Somebody commented that this was like the Rahm/Elon press conference where Elon invented the idea of a subway.

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Its more like the Rahm LIV press conference.

"Oh you want $600 million for minimal work? Done!"

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The planning on this is ridiculous:

1) After the White Sox blowback, why do the Bears think there is any appetite from taxpayers to help build this project?

2) It took the Cubs months and months to get approval on a stupid little Coke sign on the rooftop across the street. Does Kevin Warren realize every single thing he wants to do is going to be a pain in the butt because of Friends of the Park? If he had any political skills he would be negotiating with Arlington Heights on the property tax bill, not doing a complete 180 and going back to Chicago.

3) They seriously think they can play at Soldier Field while while construction is going on? Give me a break. That's going to be a disaster.

This organization continues to be a joke.


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The planning on this is ridiculous:

1) After the White Sox blowback, why do the Bears think there is any appetite from taxpayers to help build this project?

2) It took the Cubs months and months to get approval on a stupid little Coke sign on the rooftop across the street. Does Kevin Warren realize every single thing he wants to do is going to be a pain in the butt because of Friends of the Park? If he had any political skills he would be negotiating with Arlington Heights on the property tax bill, not doing a complete 180 and going back to Chicago.

3) They seriously think they can play at Soldier Field while while construction is going on? Give me a break. That's going to be a disaster.

This organization continues to be a joke.


#3 I thought the same and was wondering why I had not seen it brought up any where else. And there is no way all those proposed road developments happen in concert with the stadium build. And I do think I heard KW's underling state those access improvements are phased projects.

It will be a nightmare for years to come.

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"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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It sounds like they need some encouragement. Have someone show up and sit in the pew next to granny and whisper some encouraging words in her ear. Share a picture of a restaurant a block from where a beloved sister or brother lives. You can't allow these fuckers to dictate anything.

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blackhawksfan wrote:
"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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It will be satisfying when they are told "No one cares what you think". Lots of wide open land on the lake in Wisconsin and Michigan. Move there. City life isn't for you.

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blackhawksfan wrote:
"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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It sounds like they need some encouragement. Have someone show up and sit in the pew next to granny and whisper some encouraging words in her ear. Share a picture of a restaurant a block from where a beloved sister or brother lives. You can't allow these fuckers to dictate anything.


It sounds to me they have already capitulated.

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The problem is the Friends of the Park aren’t idiots but Bears management is.


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Brick wrote:
blackhawksfan wrote:
"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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It will be satisfying when they are told "No one cares what you think". Lots of wide open land on the lake in Wisconsin and Michigan. Move there. City life isn't for you.

A lot of people who make decisions care what those nerds think.

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The problem is the Friends of the Park aren’t idiots but Bears management is.

The Bears already outmaneuvered them though. They are "replacing" a building that already exists and adding significantly more green space to the lakefront.

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Brick wrote:
blackhawksfan wrote:
"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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It will be satisfying when they are told "No one cares what you think". Lots of wide open land on the lake in Wisconsin and Michigan. Move there. City life isn't for you.

A lot of people who make decisions care what those nerds think.

Is that really true though? They won the war against the Lucas Museum by being annoying enough that he gave up and moved it to California where it made more sense to put it anyways. The politicians all seemed to be all for it being placed on the parking lot in Chicago.

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blackhawksfan wrote:
"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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It will be satisfying when they are told "No one cares what you think". Lots of wide open land on the lake in Wisconsin and Michigan. Move there. City life isn't for you.

A lot of people who make decisions care what those nerds think.

Is that really true though? They won the war against the Lucas Museum by being annoying enough that he gave up and moved it to California where it made more sense to put it anyways. The politicians all seemed to be all for it being placed on the parking lot in Chicago.


The reason the Lucas Museum wasn't placed on the parking lot was because they couldn't get politicians to change the law saying the land is held in public trust, which was ruled on by a federal judge. Who is going to tell the Friends of the Park "no one cares what you think" and have it mean anything?


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So the mayor of Arlington Heights was on the morning show and basically said everything changed when Kevin Warren was hired. So are you telling me the McCaskey family isn't even running the show here? What's going on? WAKE UP, GEORGE!


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So the mayor of Arlington Heights was on the morning show and basically said everything changed when Kevin Warren was hired. So are you telling me the McCaskey family isn't even running the show here? What's going on? WAKE UP, GEORGE!


That's almost certainly what happened. There's no chance a project this size gets held up by such trivial property tax numbers. Warren needs another feather in his cap because he's all ambition and wants to be NFL commissioner and AH wasn't big enough or splashy enough for him. He probably scared George out of it by saying that's too much for your family to manage, we can get everything we want and you'll still be a tenant and the public will pay for some of it too.

In hindsight, this was a big enough red flag for me to never hire the guy in the first place: https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/be ... in-warren/


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The problem is the Friends of the Park aren’t idiots but Bears management is.

The Bears already outmaneuvered them though. They are "replacing" a building that already exists and adding significantly more green space to the lakefront.


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Later, Illinois House Speaker Emanuel “Chris” Welch, D-Hillside, publicly squashed the Bears chances of getting legislation passed during the current legislative session, which is scheduled to adjourn on May 24 but is likely to extend into the waning days of May.

“I want to say to you publicly what I said to Kevin Warren privately last week. If we were to put this issue on the board for a vote right now, it would fail, and it would fail miserably,” Welch said at a separate press conference in Maywood. “There’s no environment for something like this today. Now, in Springfield, environments change. Will that environment change within the next 30 days? I think that’s highly unlikely.”


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blackhawksfan wrote:
"We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with 'honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative' and not repeat past mistakes," the group's statement read.

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All the stuff before it was fairly correct, although the veteran's stuff is a bit much.

https://capitolfax.com/2024/04/25/frien ... -proposal/

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The “Chicago Way” was on full display at the Chicago Bears news conference today. Once again, Chicago taxpayers are being told what is good for them. We are told that a new domed stadium on protected lakefront land will make Chicago a great city. We are already a great city—in large part due to our protected lakefront. As is so often the case in Chicago,the powerful and wealthy are demanding that our entire city stop and fast track their plans to expand operations on the people’s lakefront.

Meanwhile, the communities we work with who are addressing immigrant issues, homelessness, school closures, affordable housing, public safety, equitable transportation, and lack of jobs are fighting for parity–including at our Chicago Park District parks.

We are all being asked to trust the process and accept that it will, in fact, be Bear-a-dice. Yet, Chicago has a long history of, closed-door planning and rushed decision-making that does not end well for taxpayers. Just look at The Lincoln Yards, The 78, a Chicago casino, and the infamous parking meter deal. Each of these was going to make Chicago into a “world class” city and be a “win-win-win” for residents.

The questions everyone needs to ask of the Bears organization and our elected officials are:

1.What is the actual rush? Do rushed processes in Chicago ever end well? Our city takes decades to build a grocery store in a food desert, but we are being asked to jump as high as the Bears tell us to and fast. Yet, Bronzeville, home to the former Ida B. Wells Projects, and other public housing sites that were promised replacement housing after their communities were demolished in the early 2000s, are still empty in 2024.

2.What about the other parks in Chicago that have waited for equitable investment in their communities? Does a rushed process for an NFL team make more sense than, say, rushing the restoration of a South Side field house? Or expansion of programs to meet demands in North Lawndale? Or restoration of obsolete equipment across the city?

3. What other sites were vetted by the Bears and the City of Chicago, and what was the specific decision not to proceed with each of those sites? Violating the public trust doctrine should require a rigorous vetting process for alternatives.

4.What about Soldier Field? First, its history was all but obliterated with public funds,which we are still paying off, but now it is set for demolition? What message are we sending to our veterans and their families?

5.How does this plan demonstrate an investment in the people that Mayor Johnson promised to Chicago when he ran for office? How have the people been engaged in dialogue throughout this process? What is the process? Is it transparent? Is it inclusive? It is honest?

6. Why does it always come down to “we want our playground on the lake, or we will go somewhere else?” Is that fair to the rest of Chicago? It’s business as usual to have wealth and power dictating public policy, but is that a best practice for Chicago to follow?

7. It is a good business practice to trust and verify. It is sound business practice for the city of Chicago to hire independent contractors to objectively assess the economic impact the Bears have had since their bond deal in the early 2000s, which we are still paying off today. And to evaluate the return on investment if we put billions into this project directly or indirectly. What level of permanent jobs will this plan generate? Are they trade jobs with a track for career development?

8. Does it seem reasonable that the Chicago Bears should get their wants satisfied immediately while poor neighborhoods suffer from benign neglect?

9. We have seen no evidence of broad-based community engagement or community-led planning. We look forward to asking our questions about process to the stake-holders who participated with the Bears leadership at today’s news conference.

This is a time for some thoughtful, deliberate and civic engagement. A civil, community-driven conversation should be at the forefront of any action the city of Chicago takes regarding the lakefront.

We did not hear anything at the Bears news conference that could not take place at another Chicago location. We have too many questions to make any decision about the value of these plans. We encourage the Bears and the administration to act with “honor, integrity, transparency, wisdom and to be forward thinking and collaborative” and not repeat past mistakes.


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It will get built in Chicago. All the politicians are just positioning themselves with their best interests in mind. None of them really care about the city or the taxpayers.

Corruption machine needs to be oiled in the right places for the noise to go away.


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1. Fair
2. Obtuse
3. Very, very dumb
4. Very, very gay
5. Fair
6. Fair-adjacent, but right up to the line on kinda gay
7. Should have been #1 - very fair
8. Childlike naivety
9. Gay

Overall, I thought the remit was to defend the park system, but they seem to have a hard time staying in that lane. As far as I can tell, only gripe #2 explicitly connects to the parks. Gripe #4 was on track until they decided to thank a building for its service.

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It will get built in Chicago. All the politicians are just positioning themselves with their best interests in mind. None of them really care about the city or the taxpayers.

Corruption machine needs to be oiled in the right places for the noise to go away.

Agree 100% but still....the Bears own the land in Arlington Heights. There's no deal within the city of Chicago sweet enough to rival what they'll get in Arlington Heights due to owning the property.

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i want the bears to own their stadium. owned by the park district is fucking gay

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I still don't understand this whole "public trust doctrine" stuff. A stadium has existed there for 100 years. Why haven't they demolished it for 100 years? Why is it suddenly an issue when they simply want to replace it?

I would get it if the White Sox were trying to build next to Soldier Field but this is just a replacement for something that already exists.

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Because the bears can afford it, and the city cant.

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They’re busybody assholes. It’s like letting a Homeowners Association decide your city’s future.

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I still don't understand this whole "public trust doctrine" stuff. A stadium has existed there for 100 years. Why haven't they demolished it for 100 years? Why is it suddenly an issue when they simply want to replace it?


Probably the extent to which the Bears want to control the master lease on the building and the revenue from other events. If the stadium is "publicly owned" but the Bears get all the money from, as Kevin Warren put it, 20 straight nights of Beyonce concerts, then it ceases to be a stadium where the Bears happen to play a few times a year and becomes a year-round profit engine for private enterprise, which would be out of step with the museums and parkland, and an end-run around keeping the lakefront with the public. I don't think we could have Lollapalooza for 200 days a year, either.

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I still don't understand this whole "public trust doctrine" stuff. A stadium has existed there for 100 years. Why haven't they demolished it for 100 years? Why is it suddenly an issue when they simply want to replace it?


Probably the extent to which the Bears want to control the master lease on the building and the revenue from other events. If the stadium is "publicly owned" but the Bears get all the money from, as Kevin Warren put it, 20 straight nights of Beyonce concerts, then it ceases to be a stadium where the Bears happen to play a few times a year and becomes a year-round profit engine for private enterprise, which would be out of step with the museums and parkland, and an end-run around keeping the lakefront with the public. I don't think we could have Lollapalooza for 200 days a year, either.

But the Bears are writing a $2 billion check too. Erase that and Chicago can keep the Beyonce revenue.

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