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But it still does not address the traffic and parking issues as well as the difficulty of building anything new on the lakefront.

That plus Warren's goofy "money-shot" quotes make me feel it is still all part of negotiations and that Arlington is still on the table.

Any stadium in the city of Chicago will be a lease....they OWN Arlington Heights. AH is where it's going to finalize. This is all negotiation. The Bears number of $60 Million assessed is laughable, but I guess you miss all the shots you don't take.

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If the Bears are going to pivot off AH, they are going to lose a shit ton of money on that land. Oh and they just entered into the real estate business.(they can't even run a football business btw) This organization could fuck up a cup of coffee. If they sell that land, they certainly aren't going to get 190 million. They are going to take a 80-100 million dollar loss, way more than the quibble on the property tax difference. I'll be waiting with bated breath for Brick's next defense of this organization.


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If the Bears are going to pivot off AH, they are going to lose a shit ton of money on that land. Oh and they just entered into the real estate business. This organization could fuck up a cup of coffee. If they sell that land, they certainly aren't going to get 190 million. They are going to take a 80-100 million dollar loss, way more than the quibble on the property tax difference.

In reality, they would just develop it themselves. That's what Jerry Jones has done.

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If the Bears are going to pivot off AH, they are going to lose a shit ton of money on that land. Oh and they just entered into the real estate business. This organization could fuck up a cup of coffee. If they sell that land, they certainly aren't going to get 190 million. They are going to take a 80-100 million dollar loss, way more than the quibble on the property tax difference.

In reality, they would just develop it themselves. That's what Jerry Jones has done.

One of those things is not like the other…

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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.


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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.

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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?


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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?

That's just how negotiations work. As I said, it took the Cubs four years to get a deal to improve a stadium they already owned.

Plus, why not give the city of Chicago and state a chance to write the Bears a $2 billion check for a stadium?

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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?

Because they are very, very dumb. Very dumb. Prolly cash poor and very dumb.

Kevin Warren is laying in bed playing candy crush as we speak, prepping for his negotiations with the various school districts in AH.

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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?

That's just how negotiations work. As I said, it took the Cubs four years to get a deal to improve a stadium they already owned.

Plus, why not give the city of Chicago and state a chance to write the Bears a $2 billion check for a stadium?

Grinding away over a tiny expenditure is a dumb way to start the negotiation.

They haven’t even approached the actual fight of stadium funding yet. That’s the battle here, not the immaterial penny pinching on property taxes.

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Brick wrote:
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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?

That's just how negotiations work. As I said, it took the Cubs four years to get a deal to improve a stadium they already owned.

Plus, why not give the city of Chicago and state a chance to write the Bears a $2 billion check for a stadium?


There aren't "negotiations" in property tax disputes. There are "rulings" and "appeals".


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The article posted literally says that the school district and the Bears have a window to negotiate the taxes.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?

Because they are very, very dumb. Very dumb. Prolly cash poor and very dumb.

Kevin Warren is laying in bed playing candy crush as we speak, prepping for his negotiations with the various school districts in AH.


They have at least 8 years to go on a lease with Soldier Field.

They have plenty of time to negotiate property taxes.

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Brick wrote:
The article posted literally says that the school district and the Bears have a window to negotiate the taxes.


The Bears have zero leverage vs the school districts.


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The article posted literally says that the school district and the Bears have a window to negotiate the taxes.


The Bears have zero leverage vs the school districts.


Teacher Union supporting Bob has arrived. Sad!

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Kevin Warren says the stadium needs to be on the lakefront so they can get the “money shots” on Sunday Night Football. What?

This guy is a clown.


He's not wrong. Every game shows the best part of the given city. What would the arial shot of Arlington look like? Canada?

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But it still does not address the traffic and parking issues as well as the difficulty of building anything new on the lakefront.

That plus Warren's goofy "money-shot" quotes make me feel it is still all part of negotiations and that Arlington is still on the table.


Parking could be structured... But that would suck for tailgating. If they were really smart, call the DNR and tell them the new stadium will be built on a man made peninsula on lake Michigan. Everything will be redone around it. Current stadium is the new tailgate parking lot.

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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?

Because they are very, very dumb. Very dumb. Prolly cash poor and very dumb.

Kevin Warren is laying in bed playing candy crush as we speak, prepping for his negotiations with the various school districts in AH.


They have at least 8 years to go on a lease with Soldier Field.

They have plenty of time to negotiate property taxes.

If they had a meaningful disagreement I’d understand, but they have the keys to what could be one of the most valuable properties in the world and they’re arguing over peanuts.

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The McCaskey's will NOT get Arlington built, but the next owner will. The McCaskey's probably couldn't figure out how to fund the building of a multi-billion dollar complex without state help--which isn't going to happen. However, Virginia is over 100 now, so she's not going to be around much longer.

At that point, the McCaskey's sell the Bears and Arlington to a new billionaire owner (e.g. Mark Cuban), and that new owner has the smarts and deep pockets to get something built in Arlington, just in time for the Bears to leave their lease in Soldier Field.

But George needs Virginia to move on soon.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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:lol: In the end they are going to have to renew their lease at Soldier Field. Mark my words.

No, because the worst case is the Bears pay Property Taxes on assessed value of $160 million. They will still be shitting money. AH will happen eventually.


If they are going to be "shitting money" why even hold the project a year over 10 million?

Because they are very, very dumb. Very dumb. Prolly cash poor and very dumb.

Kevin Warren is laying in bed playing candy crush as we speak, prepping for his negotiations with the various school districts in AH.


They have at least 8 years to go on a lease with Soldier Field.

They have plenty of time to negotiate property taxes.

If they had a meaningful disagreement I’d understand, but they have the keys to what could be one of the most valuable properties in the world and they’re arguing over peanuts.


$10m a year is peanuts?

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$10m a year is peanuts?


It's the equivalent to $200 to a regular middle class citizen. Also, opportunity cost. This will almost certainly delay the new stadium a year. A new stadium that can hold an extra (at minimum)10K seats. Factor every seat can bring in revenue of $200 per game(I think that's low tbh) X 8 games a year, that's 16 million per year alone is lost revenues, just on the seat expansion. Not even including PSL's they can sell.


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$10m a year is peanuts?

In the context of the project, a one time $10m payment is a rounding error.

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Kevin Warren says the stadium needs to be on the lakefront so they can get the “money shots” on Sunday Night Football. What?

This guy is a clown.


He's not wrong. Every game shows the best part of the given city. What would the arial shot of Arlington look like? Canada?


Those lakefront shots can still be shown, if he actually cares about that he needs to be removed from the project. This is about economics, not TV broadcasts


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Kevin Warren says the stadium needs to be on the lakefront so they can get the “money shots” on Sunday Night Football. What?

This guy is a clown.


He's not wrong. Every game shows the best part of the given city. What would the arial shot of Arlington look like? Canada?


Uhm, excuse me...Mount Prospect will be the towering vista in the Horizon


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Warren has said the new stadium will be a dome yet he's talking about establishing shots on a broadcast? They have no leverage so this is what they've been reduced to. They just should just stop digging at this point. His image has fairly quickly gone from new sheriff in town to strange, egotistical, incompetent all because he's trying to pull off a very obvious bluff.


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Warren has said the new stadium will be a dome yet he's talking about establishing shots on a broadcast? They have no leverage so this is what they've been reduced to. They just should just stop digging at this point. His image has fairly quickly gone from new sheriff in town to strange, egotistical, incompetent all because he's trying to pull off a very obvious bluff.



The Big Ten deal he "negotiated" is now looking like a fugazzi as well.


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Kevin Warren says the stadium needs to be on the lakefront so they can get the “money shots” on Sunday Night Football. What?

This guy is a clown.

I was watching a Hawks-Isles games one time after the Islanders gave up on the whole Brooklyn deal and moved back to the Nassau Coliseum for a while. Uniondale, Hempstead, something like that; Long Island suburbs aren't like the discrete entities of Chicago suburbs, they're more like vague zones of "census-designated places" and "hamlets," whatever those are. Anyway, for an establishing shot coming out of a break, they cut to a car-mount shot of what looked like a random main road in Palatine and it was the weirdest thing ever if you're used to the big aerial shots or the downtown scenes or whatever. And that's what I would have liked to see on Arlington Heights Bears telecasts: "brought to you by" slides and Football Robot over the Walgreens and Lovers Lane at the corner of Arl. Hts. and Golf.

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$10m a year is peanuts?

In the context of the project, a one time $10m payment is a rounding error.

Aren't property taxes paid every year?

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The McCaskey's will NOT get Arlington built, but the next owner will. The McCaskey's probably couldn't figure out how to fund the building of a multi-billion dollar complex without state help--which isn't going to happen. However, Virginia is over 100 now, so she's not going to be around much longer.

At that point, the McCaskey's sell the Bears and Arlington to a new billionaire owner (e.g. Mark Cuban), and that new owner has the smarts and deep pockets to get something built in Arlington, just in time for the Bears to leave their lease in Soldier Field.

But George needs Virginia to move on soon.



My initial reaction to this purchase was exactly that. It wasn't bought for the McCaskey's to build, it was bought for the inevitability of them selling when Virginia passes.


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$10m a year is peanuts?

In the context of the project, a one time $10m payment is a rounding error.

Aren't property taxes paid every year?

They can re-appeal next year under different circumstances.

One of their big issues is that they wanted the land treated as vacant when it wasn’t vacant for the majority of the year. Next year that won’t be the case.

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