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Good for him. He believed that was what he was worth and he got them to believe that.

I am still glad the Bears did not give him that deal.


I agree. He bet on himself and got what he wanted. Its a great story.

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Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

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With all the QB movement about to take place I think this works out great for us. Guys like Winston,Wentz,Daulton, Darnold,Heideke, Tannehill will be brought in as veteran backups. I think Garopolo ,Carr will start somewhere, Geno stays in Seattle, and Brady retires.

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I don't see Brady retiring, maybe I'm crazy though. I think going home to San Francisco would be a great fit. Going from Tampa's offensive line to San Francisco's would be night and day. I remember Brady's dad mentioning he wanted to end his career with the 49ers (along with mentioning he thinks his son would play into his mid to late 40s).


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I don't see Brady retiring, maybe I'm crazy though. I think going home to San Francisco would be a great fit. Going from Tampa's offensive line to San Francisco's would be night and day. I remember Brady's dad mentioning he wanted to end his career with the 49ers (along with mentioning he thinks his son would play into his mid to late 40s).



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Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.


Made no sense for the Bears to throw all kinds of future paper at a guy whose speed (which is his only real attribute) will be on the decline in 2-3 years when the team will be rebuilt enough to be competitive, steer that money toward Julian Davenport or Payne in FA and you will get a guy that impacts every play at the line of scrimmage.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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Clawmaster wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.


Made no sense for the Bears to throw all kinds of future paper at a guy whose speed (which is his only real attribute) will be on the decline in 2-3 years when the team will be rebuilt enough to be competitive, steer that money toward Julian Davenport or Payne in FA and you will get a guy that impacts every play at the line of scrimmage.

I agree with that, especially at his position. Makes no sense to buy a Maserati when you live in a trailer.

I think there was some element of ‘good riddance’ after he left given some of the off field drama that ignored how good he is (which has been on full display in Baltimore).

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.


Made no sense for the Bears to throw all kinds of future paper at a guy whose speed (which is his only real attribute) will be on the decline in 2-3 years when the team will be rebuilt enough to be competitive, steer that money toward Julian Davenport or Payne in FA and you will get a guy that impacts every play at the line of scrimmage.

I agree with that, especially at his position. Makes no sense to buy a Maserati when you live in a trailer.

I think there was some element of ‘good riddance’ after he left given some of the off field drama that ignored how good he is (which has been on full display in Baltimore).

Forget any improvement Baltimore showed after getting Roquan. I think the decline in the Bears defense after Roquan left was far more noticeable. I don't think he was worth his asking price and they made the right call, but the defense from bad to complete horseshit once Roquan left.

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The SEC LB you pick up in the 2nd or 3rd round will make you forget the name Roquan Smith quickly.

Really only watched him closely in the Steelers game, and saw him frantically running around trying to avoid contact with Najee Harris, or missing tackles..kinda the same thing he did with the Bears. They gave him a lot of money, but the vaunted "team chemistry" guys like Bernstein droned on and on about under Captain Grab Ass Nagy was likely light years away from the accountability and professionalism with the Ravens under a legit NFL coach, so maybe he will actually apply himself to his craft.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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BigW72 wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.


Made no sense for the Bears to throw all kinds of future paper at a guy whose speed (which is his only real attribute) will be on the decline in 2-3 years when the team will be rebuilt enough to be competitive, steer that money toward Julian Davenport or Payne in FA and you will get a guy that impacts every play at the line of scrimmage.

I agree with that, especially at his position. Makes no sense to buy a Maserati when you live in a trailer.

I think there was some element of ‘good riddance’ after he left given some of the off field drama that ignored how good he is (which has been on full display in Baltimore).

Forget any improvement Baltimore showed after getting Roquan. I think the decline in the Bears defense after Roquan left was far more noticeable. I don't think he was worth his asking price and they made the right call, but the defense from bad to complete horseshit once Roquan left.


The Bears defense was fine until Sanborn and the entire secondary got injured

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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They weren’t fine all year.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
They weren’t fine all year.


I don't want to revisit it. I'll just say that Sanborn appeared to make more of an impact than Roquan after his first two games.

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The SEC LB you pick up in the 2nd or 3rd round will make you forget the name Roquan Smith quickly.



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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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The SEC LB you pick up in the 2nd or 3rd round will make you forget the name Roquan Smith quickly.



Quay Walker says hi

Quay Walker will be fine if we can just get him to stop pushing sideline personnel.

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Nah, he was pretty bad when he wasn't being a lunatic.


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Nah, he was pretty bad when he wasn't being a lunatic.

Not true at all, struggled early for sure but was getting better and better as the season went on. I also still would like to see him get a chance as a edge rusher.

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Not a bad idea, cause he sure can't play inside linebacker.


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Not a bad idea, cause he sure can't play inside linebacker.

You are a quitter giving up on guys way to quick.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.


Made no sense for the Bears to throw all kinds of future paper at a guy whose speed (which is his only real attribute) will be on the decline in 2-3 years when the team will be rebuilt enough to be competitive, steer that money toward Julian Davenport or Payne in FA and you will get a guy that impacts every play at the line of scrimmage.

I agree with that, especially at his position. Makes no sense to buy a Maserati when you live in a trailer.

I think there was some element of ‘good riddance’ after he left given some of the off field drama that ignored how good he is (which has been on full display in Baltimore).

Forget any improvement Baltimore showed after getting Roquan. I think the decline in the Bears defense after Roquan left was far more noticeable. I don't think he was worth his asking price and they made the right call, but the defense from bad to complete horseshit once Roquan left.



That's a good assessment. It is nonsense to try and downplay the worth of Smith. He proved his "worth" on the field without a lot of bluster and false bravado. He bet on himself and let his play value his worth. Good for him.

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Not a bad idea, cause he sure can't play inside linebacker.

You are a quitter giving up on guys way to quick.

With one exception. Lauri Markkanen. All I heard from Bob for 5 years was Lauri Markkanan this and Lauri Markkanen that.

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Not a bad idea, cause he sure can't play inside linebacker.

You are a quitter giving up on guys way to quick.

With one exception. Lauri Markkanen. All I heard from Bob for 5 years was Lauri Markkanan this and Lauri Markkanen that.


Because he's gay and markenan seems like horse cock

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.


Nah. I am happy with Sanborn but not a 5 yr. rebuild.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Ravens fans consider him the centerpiece of their defense and a reason they were better as soon as he arrived.

He’s an excellent player who gets better when surrounded with other good players.

Bears fans are happy with Jack Sanborn and a 5yr rebuild.


Made no sense for the Bears to throw all kinds of future paper at a guy whose speed (which is his only real attribute) will be on the decline in 2-3 years when the team will be rebuilt enough to be competitive, steer that money toward Julian Davenport or Payne in FA and you will get a guy that impacts every play at the line of scrimmage.


Come-on. I would have loved it if they have signed Smith because he is arguably the best linebacker in his position of the field and makes every other defensive player better because of it. I understand why they didn't do it and that's okay but to undervalue Smith is silly.

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The SEC LB you pick up in the 2nd or 3rd round will make you forget the name Roquan Smith quickly.

Really only watched him closely in the Steelers game, and saw him frantically running around trying to avoid contact with Najee Harris, or missing tackles..kinda the same thing he did with the Bears. They gave him a lot of money, but the vaunted "team chemistry" guys like Bernstein droned on and on about under Captain Grab Ass Nagy was likely light years away from the accountability and professionalism with the Ravens under a legit NFL coach, so maybe he will actually apply himself to his craft.


Funny stuff. Any 2nd or 3rd round guy eh? That really in itself is funny. Just because the guy bet on himself and made it pay off, you don't like him standing up for himself and not the "be a good team player" and settle for what we deem your worth to be?

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The SEC LB you pick up in the 2nd or 3rd round will make you forget the name Roquan Smith quickly.

Really only watched him closely in the Steelers game, and saw him frantically running around trying to avoid contact with Najee Harris, or missing tackles..kinda the same thing he did with the Bears. They gave him a lot of money, but the vaunted "team chemistry" guys like Bernstein droned on and on about under Captain Grab Ass Nagy was likely light years away from the accountability and professionalism with the Ravens under a legit NFL coach, so maybe he will actually apply himself to his craft.


Funny stuff. Any 2nd or 3rd round guy eh? That really in itself is funny. Just because the guy bet on himself and made it pay off, you don't like him standing up for himself and not the "be a good team player" and settle for what we deem your worth to be?


It was really the Bears not wanting to make a long term commitment to a guy that tends to drift from time to time, not seeing him as a building block or leader for a young team where he would be expected to set an example and tell young guys what to do.

He can be just a guy on the Baltimore D where there are already grown ass men to tell him what to do.

Do not want to be on the books for all that bad paper two years from now when he's lost a step.

A Levine type guy where he's a good player on a bad/average team, but just a guy on a championship level team.


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Not a bad idea, cause he sure can't play inside linebacker.


There is a big difference between playing MLB in a 4-3, and ILB in a 3-4.

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Always interesting to hear/read rumors this time of year, but did hear a few places that the Colts supposedly love Levis and that there are quite a few teams that do not believe in Bryce Young, if any of this is true it certainly adds credence to the Colts being the most likely trade suitor.

If the Colts and Texans both think Levis is the only true QB 1 you get a scenario where you can get them bidding against each other, maybe get the Texans to pony up a nice package and just move down one spot, then you clear your phone and start taking offers for the number two pick.

The playoffs are showing that it does not take too long to make a bad NFL team into a playoff team, so expect the Bears to be able to put together a much more competitive roster and get the 8-9 wins that will likely be all you need to contend for the playoffs in the NFC.


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Always interesting to hear/read rumors this time of year, but did hear a few places that the Colts supposedly love Levis and that there are quite a few teams that do not believe in Bryce Young, if any of this is true it certainly adds credence to the Colts being the most likely trade suitor.

If the Colts and Texans both think Levis is the only true QB 1 you get a scenario where you can get them bidding against each other, maybe get the Texans to pony up a nice package and just move down one spot, then you clear your phone and start taking offers for the number two pick.

The playoffs are showing that it does not take too long to make a bad NFL team into a playoff team, so expect the Bears to be able to put together a much more competitive roster and get the 8-9 wins that will likely be all you need to contend for the playoffs in the NFC.

I keep hearing that the colts are gonna offer 3 picks and possibly 2 players as a package for the #1 pick. If you can get a #1 this year and next, a 2nd rounder this year, and Pittman/Nelson, I think ya gotta take it.


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