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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:23 am 
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Despite the Bears overall bad record, don't they still have a chance at making the playoffs if they win out their remaining divisional games?

I know this is a pie-in-the-sky prospect, but not impossible. If they end up splitting with GB, they would clinch the North, since GB will have lost to Detroit or the Vikings, both of which the Bears will have beaten.

It wouldn't be the first time a 7-9 team has gone to the playoffs, assuming the Bears win out.


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Detroit has division sewn up, what are you talking about?

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312player wrote:
Detroit has division sewn up, what are you talking about?


By what counting?

Bears beat Detroit on Oct. 2 by a score of 17-14, so they couldn't have clinched yet.

If Detroit loses to the Bears this weekend, they will have two division losses, whereas the Bears will have only one.


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Awful thread.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
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Detroit has division sewn up, what are you talking about?


By what counting?

Bears beat Detroit on Oct. 2 by a score of 17-14, so they couldn't have clinched yet.

If Detroit loses to the Bears this weekend, they will have two division losses, whereas the Bears will have only one.


Overall Record decides division. Not just division games.

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The odds of the Bears actually doing it are only 1/9, but those were the same odds the Cubs had in the world series after game 4.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
312player wrote:
Detroit has division sewn up, what are you talking about?


By what counting?

Bears beat Detroit on Oct. 2 by a score of 17-14, so they couldn't have clinched yet.

If Detroit loses to the Bears this weekend, they will have two division losses, whereas the Bears will have only one.


Overall Record decides division. Not just division games.


I don't remember that ever being true. And it would be asinine if it is.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
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Dignified Rube wrote:
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Detroit has division sewn up, what are you talking about?


By what counting?

Bears beat Detroit on Oct. 2 by a score of 17-14, so they couldn't have clinched yet.

If Detroit loses to the Bears this weekend, they will have two division losses, whereas the Bears will have only one.


Overall Record decides division. Not just division games.


I don't remember that ever being true. And it would be asinine if it is.


Holy fuck. You truly are a rube.

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Yes record determines the division winner. In the case of ties there are tiebreakers including division wins. The best the Bears can do is 7-9 and since detroit already has 8 wins the Bears cannot win the division.

You are allowed to still hope for one of the wild cards but a quick look through the NFC standings might tell you that is futile too.

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Yes record determines the division winner. In the case of ties there are tiebreakers including division wins. The best the Bears can do is 7-9 and since detroit already has 8 wins the Bears cannot win the division.

You are allowed to still hope for one of the wild cards but a quick look through the NFC standings might tell you that is futile too.


No, record in the division determines the division winner, as it always has. The overall record matters only in the seeding of the four divisional winners.

"The NFL playoffs. Each of the 4 division winners is seeded 1–4 based on their overall records. The two wild-card teams (labeled Wild Card 1 and 2) are seeded fifth and sixth (with the better of the two having seed 5) regardless of their records compared to the 4 division winners."

The Washington Post has an article about it today. In it they mention the 49ers as being eliminated, but not the Bears.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
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Yes record determines the division winner. In the case of ties there are tiebreakers including division wins. The best the Bears can do is 7-9 and since detroit already has 8 wins the Bears cannot win the division.

You are allowed to still hope for one of the wild cards but a quick look through the NFC standings might tell you that is futile too.


No, record in the division determines the division winner, as it always has. The overall record matters only in the seeding of the four divisional winners.

"The NFL playoffs. Each of the 4 division winners is seeded 1–4 based on their overall records. The two wild-card teams (labeled Wild Card 1 and 2) are seeded fifth and sixth (with the better of the two having seed 5) regardless of their records compared to the 4 division winners."

The Washington Post has an article about it today. In it they mention the 49ers as being eliminated, but not the Bears.


No.


Division record is Second Tie Breaker.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

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man. I've said some stupid things, but this is pretty far out there. The Bears cannot win the north. Detroit already has more wins than them. State the actual rule, Rube that shows the divisional record determines who wins the division.

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Chiefs were 5-1 in division but took second to the Broncos who were 4-2 last season. This how NFL has been forever.

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a genius wrote:
Yes record determines the division winner. In the case of ties there are tiebreakers including division wins. The best the Bears can do is 7-9 and since detroit already has 8 wins the Bears cannot win the division.

You are allowed to still hope for one of the wild cards but a quick look through the NFC standings might tell you that is futile too.


In researching further, it appears you are correct.

But it is still stupid. You could have a 10-6 team winning the division with technically no divisional wins.

What's the purpose of the division then?


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Dignified Rube wrote:
a genius wrote:
Yes record determines the division winner. In the case of ties there are tiebreakers including division wins. The best the Bears can do is 7-9 and since detroit already has 8 wins the Bears cannot win the division.

You are allowed to still hope for one of the wild cards but a quick look through the NFC standings might tell you that is futile too.


In researching further, it appears you are correct.

But it is still stupid. You could have a 10-6 team winning the division with technically no divisional wins.

What's the purpose of the division then?


Scheduling.

Name the Professional sport that goes by Division wins to determine the winner.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
But it is still stupid.


The only thing stupid is this thread.

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Rube tries to find ways to aggressively pursue his ignorance.

It's simple as this. Remember? I do.

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as the NBA is figuring out, divisions are really stupid for determining playoffs. So are conferences.

perhaps in our lifetime we'll see the best 16 teams in the NBA and the best teams in the NFL in the playoffs. Not today though.

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Rube tries to find ways to aggressively pursue his ignorance.

He should try driving a mountain road while blindfolded.

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Hard to believe this thread is real


Doubling down on the stupidity by citing an article that did not prove his point was the best part.

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as the NBA is figuring out, divisions are really stupid for determining playoffs. So are conferences.


Leagues are dumb too. I mean, the Cubs would have probably squeaked in as the seventh or eighth best team in baseball if there was just one 30 team group with equal schedules.

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:lol: not when you consider the author.

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as the NBA is figuring out, divisions are really stupid for determining playoffs. So are conferences.


Leagues are dumb too. I mean, the Cubs would have probably squeaked in as the seventh or eighth best team in baseball if there was just one 30 team group with equal schedules.

I know you're joking, but San Diego, Cincinnati, Atlanta all finished with 68 wins. Milwaukee was better than Arizona and Philadelphia. Pittsburgh was better than Colorado and within a win of Miami. St. Louis was within a win of San Fran and the Mets.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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as the NBA is figuring out, divisions are really stupid for determining playoffs. So are conferences.


Leagues are dumb too. I mean, the Cubs would have probably squeaked in as the seventh or eighth best team in baseball if there was just one 30 team group with equal schedules.





Cubs had a strong record against the AL.

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This is one of the greatest threads of all time.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
Despite the Bears overall bad record, don't they still have a chance at making the playoffs if they win out their remaining divisional games?

I know this is a pie-in-the-sky prospect, but not impossible. If they end up splitting with GB, they would clinch the North, since GB will have lost to Detroit or the Vikings, both of which the Bears will have beaten.

It wouldn't be the first time a 7-9 team has gone to the playoffs, assuming the Bears win out.


Ummmm...Detroit has 8 wins right now. Bears going 7-9 means they lose the division. See how that works?

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Dignified Rube wrote:
Despite the Bears overall bad record, don't they still have a chance at making the playoffs if they win out their remaining divisional games?

I know this is a pie-in-the-sky prospect, but not impossible. If they end up splitting with GB, they would clinch the North, since GB will have lost to Detroit or the Vikings, both of which the Bears will have beaten.

It wouldn't be the first time a 7-9 team has gone to the playoffs, assuming the Bears win out.


Ummmm...Detroit has 8 wins right now. Bears going 7-9 means they lose the division. See how that works?

Dignified Rube: :oops:


Some of your people can't read. The first line I wrote was a question.

"Despite the Bears overall bad record, don't they still have a chance at making the playoffs if they win out their remaining divisional games?"

W_Z's article on the Raiders is proof that the system for determining playoffs is inherently flawed and stupid, that divisional games count secondary compared to overall record when determining the divisional winner. It should be the other way around, first division wins and when a tie-break is necessary, looking at head-to-head record, and then overall record if still necessary. For the wildcards, it should be best overall record of the teams not chosen by the above method.

No wonder why people aren't watching anymore. The NFL can't even set up the playoffs properly.


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