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Alright I'm done trolling for the night. Final thoughts on the move - If he becomes a top 7 QB it was a fantastic trade. If he becomes a 8th-11th type QB it was worth it but I wouldn't call it a great move. If he's 12th-15th it's not a good trade but it's not terrible. That's a valuable player to have. If he's average (16th) to below average or worse it's a disaster. I think it's a disaster but obviously like many have said none of us knows. We'll see. Congratulations on the pick.


So if he he becomes a franchise QB, it was a good pick and the trade up was worth it. Hard hitting analysis you can only find at CFMB.



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I would ask, what is the percentage of hits(successful) on QBs in the top 5 of the draft. Going from there, I would look at weapons available to that QB. In this case, there are no weapons on offense.


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If they wanted a QB, they should have dealt the #3 pick for Garoppolo. He's more a proven commodity and ready to play. Gambling on a guy with just 13 college starts (losing 5 of them) with not just the #3, but additional picks as well, is crazy. At the top of the draft, with guys that should be difference making studs available, to gamble like this is nuts.


He had an almost identical amount of college pass attempts as Wentz.

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great pick .1xQB > .9CB

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Since the Bears are never this low in the draft, it was a good pick, though Pace panicked a little like he did with Floyd.

Unlike Mahomes, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has good technique and footwork. Reminds me of Romo---slippery in the pocket and is a dual threat. Doesn't phase me that he only played 13 college games.

Now go and draft an O-line, Pace.

And sportwriters, stop saying (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky won't play in 2017. That's idiotic. The Bears went through four quarterbacks last year.


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Why this picked will go down as the worst in Bears history.
    They gave up too much to move up one fucking spot in the draft...he would have been there anyway.
    They have missed on first round picks many, many times. This is costly. Good times draft players that play immediately in the first round.
    They have a terrible roster full of holes on both sides of the ball.

    They have a no coaching structure in place to develop a QB.
    Across the NFL there is no shortage of busts drafting QB in the first round. the overall odds are against you.

It's not what they gave up in picks....it's what they passed on that will truly make this a disaster. They had a chance to select one of multiple players that could contribute on game 1 of this season and for years to come and they passed.
I'm boycotting the Bears 2017 season. There is no way I'll be able to watch this complete shitfest.

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Obviously this guy is going to be horrible because BEARS but how horrible?

I have him out of the league within 5 years.


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Why this picked will go down as the worst in Bears history.
    They gave up too much to move up one fucking spot in the draft...he would have been there anyway.
    They have missed on first round picks many, many times. This is costly. Good times draft players that play immediately in the first round.
    They have a terrible roster full of holes on both sides of the ball.

    They have a no coaching structure in place to develop a QB.
    Across the NFL there is no shortage of busts drafting QB in the first round. the overall odds are against you.

It's not what they gave up in picks....it's what they passed on that will truly make this a disaster. They had a chance to select one of multiple players that could contribute on game 1 of this season and for years to come and they passed.
I'm boycotting the Bears 2017 season. There is no way I'll be able to watch this complete shitfest.


The Bears almost never draft low enough to take a good QB. While I think the pick is three years late, at least you can say now the Bears are rebuilding after hitting rock-bottom last year.

The mistake was not keeping Alshon. Who else do they have for threats? Kevin White?


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Dignified Rube wrote:
wdelaney72 wrote:
Why this picked will go down as the worst in Bears history.
    They gave up too much to move up one fucking spot in the draft...he would have been there anyway.
    They have missed on first round picks many, many times. This is costly. Good times draft players that play immediately in the first round.
    They have a terrible roster full of holes on both sides of the ball.

    They have a no coaching structure in place to develop a QB.
    Across the NFL there is no shortage of busts drafting QB in the first round. the overall odds are against you.

It's not what they gave up in picks....it's what they passed on that will truly make this a disaster. They had a chance to select one of multiple players that could contribute on game 1 of this season and for years to come and they passed.
I'm boycotting the Bears 2017 season. There is no way I'll be able to watch this complete shitfest.


The Bears almost never draft low enough to take a good QB. While I think the pick is three years late, at least you can say now the Bears are rebuilding after hitting rock-bottom last year.

The mistake was not keeping Alshon. Who else do they have for threats? Kevin White?


Plenty of threats coming from Bears fans right now.


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Jeffery hasn't been good in a while now.

They're probably still clinging to the hope that Kevin White can play more than 5 games in a season without injuring himself. Meredith isn't flashy but he's a big body who can catch the ball in traffic and Miller is a decent TE who gets better the closer he gets to the goal line. I'd be surprised if they dont recoup some picks by moving back in the second, if that happens I wouldn't rule out them drafting a WR.


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Jeffery hasn't been good in a while now.

They're probably still clinging to the hope that Kevin White can play more than 5 games in a season without injuring himself. Meredith isn't flashy but he's a big body who can catch the ball in traffic and Miller is a decent TE who gets better the closer he gets to the goal line. I'd be surprised if they dont recoup some picks by moving back in the second, if that happens I wouldn't rule out them drafting a WR.


Don't forget their FA pickups. Markus Wheaton is a deep ball threat who got lost in a talent glut at WR in Pitt. Kendall Wright was a 1,000 yard receiver in Tenn. Rueben Randle is a curious case. He seemed bound for stardom two years ago.

None of those guys are old

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America wrote:
Jeffery hasn't been good in a while now.

They're probably still clinging to the hope that Kevin White can play more than 5 games in a season without injuring himself. Meredith isn't flashy but he's a big body who can catch the ball in traffic and Miller is a decent TE who gets better the closer he gets to the goal line. I'd be surprised if they dont recoup some picks by moving back in the second, if that happens I wouldn't rule out them drafting a WR.


Don't forget their FA pickups. Markus Wheaton is a deep ball threat who got lost in a talent glut at WR in Pitt. Kendall Wright was a 1,000 yard receiver in Tenn. Rueben Randle is a curious case. He seemed bound for stardom two years ago.

None of those guys are old


wheaton was a bust who had ample opportunity to shine in Pittsburgh when teams were gameplanning to stop #84... did nothing. wright i am mildly intrigued by if only because of his pedigree as a 1st round pick. rueben randle never seemed bound for stardom as you put it.... he fits the pace mold of measureables over actual football ability though... (they are paying him peanuts so i dont care if he gets a shot here)


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The have nothing in the secondary. This draft could have fixed that and made an immediate improvement.

yes....they need a QB and it has to get addressed at some point but they are now looking at 2 more season of 4-12 or worse.

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America wrote:
Jeffery hasn't been good in a while now.

They're probably still clinging to the hope that Kevin White can play more than 5 games in a season without injuring himself. Meredith isn't flashy but he's a big body who can catch the ball in traffic and Miller is a decent TE who gets better the closer he gets to the goal line. I'd be surprised if they dont recoup some picks by moving back in the second, if that happens I wouldn't rule out them drafting a WR.


Don't forget their FA pickups. Markus Wheaton is a deep ball threat who got lost in a talent glut at WR in Pitt. Kendall Wright was a 1,000 yard receiver in Tenn. Rueben Randle is a curious case. He seemed bound for stardom two years ago.

None of those guys are old


wheaton was a bust who had ample opportunity to shine in Pittsburgh when teams were gameplanning to stop #84... did nothing. wright i am mildly intrigued by if only because of his pedigree as a 1st round pick. rueben randle never seemed bound for stardom as you put it.... he fits the pace mold of measureables over actual football ability though... (they are paying him peanuts so i dont care if he gets a shot here)


Wheaton 44 749 17.0 per catch does nothing for you?

Randle 71 938 13.2 per catch in his third year didn't seem bound?

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Probably posted in one of the other Pace threads but feel it fits here.

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.@MikeSilver Truly would love your take on the Bears pick with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and their possible pick in the 2nd round?

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I like the pick because everyone hates it. And my level of intelligence is far superior to John Q. Public Fan.


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Big balls for Ryan Pace. He went into this draft committed to getting the top rated QB in the draft and did it. Did he trade a lot to do so? Absolutely and this could end up being a disaster.

Pace has done a good job, thus far, in his drafts. If this doesn't work, he'll be fire in 2-3 years. If it does work out, the Bears will have a very good QB for years to come.

He could have settled for his 4th (or lower) rated QB in the 2nd round, and/or possibly traded down into the 1st round and got his 2nd or 3rd rated prospect, but love the idea of aiming big here.

I was indifferent on this year's QB class. I'm sure one of these guys will end up being very good, and most will probably struggle. That's the nature of the position and drafting. Just have to be optimistic that getting your top rated prospect has increased your chances of finding a long-term answer at this position.


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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
If they wanted a QB, they should have dealt the #3 pick for Garoppolo. He's more a proven commodity and ready to play. Gambling on a guy with just 13 college starts (losing 5 of them) with not just the #3, but additional picks as well, is crazy. At the top of the draft, with guys that should be difference making studs available, to gamble like this is nuts.


He had an almost identical amount of college pass attempts as Wentz.


An equally overloved mediocrity.

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I know he cooled off after a hot start, but I think most QB needy teams in the NFL would love to have Carson Wentz.


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I think we can agree that while the jury is out for the long-term, the move makes this coming year an unmitigated disaster. You picked a player who won't play at all (barring injury or complete train wreck by Glennon) and gave away other picks who could have plugged holes.

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I know he cooled off after a hot start, but I think most QB needy teams in the NFL would love to have Carson Wentz.


Most QB needy teams over the last decade wanted Cutler, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown and/or Mike Vick

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I really hope this pick works out.


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In an ideal world, an NFL team's general manager and its head coach are on the same page with every decision.

According to ESPN's Chris Mortenson, via Kevin Seifert, Chicago Bears head coach John Fox did not know quarterback Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was the team's top target until just a few hours before the start of the draft.

The Bears ultimately moved up one spot from No. 2 to No. 3 to select (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and also gave up a third-round pick, fourth-round pick and an additional third-round pick in 2018 to select the North Carolina quarterback.

The team already signed veteran Mike Glennon to a three-year deal this offseason to be Chicago's starting quarterback following the release of Jay Cutler, but the addition of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky adds a new wrinkle into the mix.

Fox has won just nine games in two years with the Bears and the fact that he did not know until hours before the draft how Pace and company felt about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky could mean the veteran coach is already on thin ice.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
In an ideal world, an NFL team's general manager and its head coach are on the same page with every decision.

According to ESPN's Chris Mortenson, via Kevin Seifert, Chicago Bears head coach John Fox did not know quarterback Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was the team's top target until just a few hours before the start of the draft.

The Bears ultimately moved up one spot from No. 2 to No. 3 to select (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and also gave up a third-round pick, fourth-round pick and an additional third-round pick in 2018 to select the North Carolina quarterback.

The team already signed veteran Mike Glennon to a three-year deal this offseason to be Chicago's starting quarterback following the release of Jay Cutler, but the addition of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky adds a new wrinkle into the mix.

Fox has won just nine games in two years with the Bears and the fact that he did not know until hours before the draft how Pace and company felt about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky could mean the veteran coach is already on thin ice.

Caller on Kaps show brought up a couple good points. One was that they should just should shitcan Fox now because he's not going to be here when (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky gets good and that Pace should just bring in the guy whose system he wants to run so (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can get started on learning it asap. The other point was that ironically enough, it was the Bears meaningless win over SF in December that cost us the 3 picks we traded to move up. Thanks Kaepernick !!

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Fox was dead to begin with. This must be distinctly understood or nothing wonderful can come of the story I am going to relate

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Fox was dead to begin with. This must be distinctly understood or nothing wonderful can come of the story I am going to relate


I hope he's gone.


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Outside of Dolphin and a couple of others what a bunch or pessimists ready to jump off the ledge after the first round. I do not think I should bother reading Bears posts until June or something.

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Glennon is to Flynn as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is to Wilson, obviously.


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And the Chiefs just gave up two firsts for Patrick Mahomes.


Holy shit.

That's pretty bad.


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