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They honestly need prescreen games more than ever with the newish practice limitations. Plus you have tremendous turnover in rosters each year. Don't kid yourself, if this were game 1 of the regular season, he would have been hurt on drive 2 of the first regular season game. Guys are going to get hurt- in the offseason, in practice, during preseason games, and during regular games.
I think the idea that preseason games are needed is wrong. College football gets away without having any preseason games and the NFL guys are more prepared and better. The only real thing that happens in college is a team or two comes out flat in week 1 and loses to an inferior opponent but that happens in week 1 of the NFL anyways.

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They honestly need prescreen games more than ever with the newish practice limitations. Plus you have tremendous turnover in rosters each year. Don't kid yourself, if this were game 1 of the regular season, he would have been hurt on drive 2 of the first regular season game. Guys are going to get hurt- in the offseason, in practice, during preseason games, and during regular games.
I think the idea that preseason games are needed is wrong. College football gets away without having any preseason games and the NFL guys are more prepared and better. The only real thing that happens in college is a team or two comes out flat in week 1 and loses to an inferior opponent but that happens in week 1 of the NFL anyways.


I wouldn't feel great about NFL teams with limited practice schedules going into week 1. But if they adjusted practice schedules to allow for more prep time, it might work. Otherwise, the first few weeks of regular season would be quite a learning curve.

But whatever, I don't have a horse in this fight. Guys would just be hurt in game 3 of the regular season rather than game 3 of the preseason. You aren't saving that many knees, ankles, and concussions by eliminating preseason.

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I love the "bad thoughts" attacks.

It confirms I am right and those who use them don't have an argument.

No one said Meredith is Michael Irvin. But no one disagrees he is/was the best Bears receiver. That should make you extra careful with him, should it not?

The purpose of pre-season is to get ready for the regular season. That can still be done by holding out your best assets. Because of the owners' money grab of charging regular season prices for pre-season game tickets, we all have to suffer through these games. But I don't think you are any better prepared playing against other teams than practicing against yourselves, ones versus ones, twos versus twos and so on. There are no pre-season games in college, and the college teams seem to do just fine without them.



They have a union in the NFL which restricts practice time, unlike college.

Again, you can have your thoughts, but like most evangelical Protestants, they aren't grounded in any objective reality.

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I wouldn't feel great about NFL teams with limited practice schedules going into week 1. But if they adjusted practice schedules to allow for more prep time, it might work. Otherwise, the first few weeks of regular season would be quite a learning curve.
Why though? Colleges can handle it. It's obviously not that important if teams only treat the third preseason game as anything close to a real game. It's something that came about because most of the players were doing other jobs in the offseason. Now they are all full time.

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They have a union in the NFL which restricts practice time, unlike college.
I'll point out that colleges also have restricted practice time even without a union.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
I love the "bad thoughts" attacks.

It confirms I am right and those who use them don't have an argument.

No one said Meredith is Michael Irvin. But no one disagrees he is/was the best Bears receiver. That should make you extra careful with him, should it not?

The purpose of pre-season is to get ready for the regular season. That can still be done by holding out your best assets. Because of the owners' money grab of charging regular season prices for pre-season game tickets, we all have to suffer through these games. But I don't think you are any better prepared playing against other teams than practicing against yourselves, ones versus ones, twos versus twos and so on. There are no pre-season games in college, and the college teams seem to do just fine without them.



They have a union in the NFL which restricts practice time, unlike college.

Again, you can have your thoughts, but like most evangelical Protestants, they aren't grounded in any objective reality.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
I wouldn't feel great about NFL teams with limited practice schedules going into week 1. But if they adjusted practice schedules to allow for more prep time, it might work. Otherwise, the first few weeks of regular season would be quite a learning curve.
Why though? Colleges can handle it. It's obviously not that important if teams only treat the third preseason game as anything close to a real game. It's something that came about because most of the players were doing other jobs in the offseason. Now they are all full time.


NFL starters play the equivalent of about 2 full games in the preseason. So by removing the preseason, you reduce the injury risk of the NFL starters by 11% (2 /18). In return, you get guys that aren't game ready in the first game, which probably would increase injuries like pulled muscles and you negatively impact the quality of regular season play.

Again, it doesn't matter that much to me one way or the other. I rarely watch preseason games, but I tuned into game 3 of the Bears because of the "compelling" QB battle. I didn't watch game 1 or 2 nor will I watch game 4.

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denisdman wrote:
NFL starters play the equivalent of about 2 full games in the preseason. So by removing the preseason, you reduce the injury risk of the NFL starters by 11% (2 /18). In return, you get guys that aren't game ready in the first game, which probably would increase injuries like pulled muscles and you negatively impact the quality of regular season play.
They aren't just sitting around doing nothing. They scrimmage and simulate game action.

Week 1 would be different but nothing earth shattering.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
I wouldn't feel great about NFL teams with limited practice schedules going into week 1. But if they adjusted practice schedules to allow for more prep time, it might work. Otherwise, the first few weeks of regular season would be quite a learning curve.
Why though? Colleges can handle it. It's obviously not that important if teams only treat the third preseason game as anything close to a real game. It's something that came about because most of the players were doing other jobs in the offseason. Now they are all full time.

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They have a union in the NFL which restricts practice time, unlike college.
I'll point out that colleges also have restricted practice time even without a union.


Kids are on campus all year working out with each other.
Nothing like the NFL.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
NFL starters play the equivalent of about 2 full games in the preseason. So by removing the preseason, you reduce the injury risk of the NFL starters by 11% (2 /18). In return, you get guys that aren't game ready in the first game, which probably would increase injuries like pulled muscles and you negatively impact the quality of regular season play.
They aren't just sitting around doing nothing. They scrimmage and simulate game action.

Week 1 would be different but nothing earth shattering.


You know if football is that unsafe that practice needs to be severely limited and preseason games are too big of an injury risk, well then, maybe the sport should not be played. As I get older, I get increasingly disgusted at these injuries.

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denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
NFL starters play the equivalent of about 2 full games in the preseason. So by removing the preseason, you reduce the injury risk of the NFL starters by 11% (2 /18). In return, you get guys that aren't game ready in the first game, which probably would increase injuries like pulled muscles and you negatively impact the quality of regular season play.
They aren't just sitting around doing nothing. They scrimmage and simulate game action.

Week 1 would be different but nothing earth shattering.


You know if football is that unsafe that practice needs to be severely limited and preseason games are too big of an injury risk, well then, maybe the sport should not be played. As I get older, I get increasingly disgusted at these injuries.



Football as we know it is already starting to die. Local programs are losing kids and some have been disbanded already.

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Kids are on campus all year working out with each other.
Nothing like the NFL.
NFL players workout year round too.

College teams: 29 fall practices
15 spring practices

It looks like NFL teams "practice" 5 times a week for 6 weeks with a game thrown in there for four weeks for about 30 practices before the first game + 4 preseason games.

They also seem to have more than 15 OTA/minicamp things but some of those seem to be "optional".

To put it another way, I can't come up with any way of saying that college players practice more than NFL players.

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You know if football is that unsafe that practice needs to be severely limited and preseason games are too big of an injury risk, well then, maybe the sport should not be played. As I get older, I get increasingly disgusted at these injuries.
The NFL preseason is 25% as long as the regular season. Hockey and basketball is 6/82. MLB looks to be around 30/162 if you combine split squad games as only one game. Even putting it somewhere between those puts us at 2 preseason games which seems fine and certainly better than what we have now.

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denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
NFL starters play the equivalent of about 2 full games in the preseason. So by removing the preseason, you reduce the injury risk of the NFL starters by 11% (2 /18). In return, you get guys that aren't game ready in the first game, which probably would increase injuries like pulled muscles and you negatively impact the quality of regular season play.
They aren't just sitting around doing nothing. They scrimmage and simulate game action.

Week 1 would be different but nothing earth shattering.


You know if football is that unsafe that practice needs to be severely limited and preseason games are too big of an injury risk, well then, maybe the sport should not be played. As I get older, I get increasingly disgusted at these injuries.



Football as we know it is already starting to die. Local programs are losing kids and some have been disbanded already.


In Highland Park, yes. But that's a long way from having it die, especially in the South or in areas where pro sports are perceived to be the only or best way out of poverty.

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Speaking of Meredith


Mickey got way too much of a pass in the Rocky movies. Total front runner that wanted nothing to do with him until he got the title shot.


Yea, yea, I know, he didnt like Rocky being Tony's muscle but that was his only option. He couldnt pay the rent by fighting Spider Rico. Grow up, Mick. :roll:


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We all are projecting development unto Meredith this year. However, his production from last year is replaceable.

This was going to be a heavy run and pass to TE offense anyway. Double TE sets galore.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
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denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
NFL starters play the equivalent of about 2 full games in the preseason. So by removing the preseason, you reduce the injury risk of the NFL starters by 11% (2 /18). In return, you get guys that aren't game ready in the first game, which probably would increase injuries like pulled muscles and you negatively impact the quality of regular season play.
They aren't just sitting around doing nothing. They scrimmage and simulate game action.

Week 1 would be different but nothing earth shattering.


You know if football is that unsafe that practice needs to be severely limited and preseason games are too big of an injury risk, well then, maybe the sport should not be played. As I get older, I get increasingly disgusted at these injuries.



Football as we know it is already starting to die. Local programs are losing kids and some have been disbanded already.


In Highland Park, yes. But that's a long way from having it die, especially in the South or in areas where pro sports are perceived to be the only or best way out of poverty.



Wealthy white people watching the poor concuss each other into a stupor will not be accepted by the culture as a whole.

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Wealthy white people watching the poor concuss each other into a stupor will not be accepted by the culture as a whole.
Sure it will.

It's not immoral to enjoy another adult choosing to engage in an activity that makes him famous and rich but has potential long term health consequences.

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If they really have struck gold with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and the OL stays mostly healthy (aka Whitehair keeps anchoring that unit) they will find 1000 yard receivers organically. Meredith was a nice looking WR but nothing really special, its not like they lost Julio Jones out there.

Guys who can run routes well and have good hands are dime-a-dozen in the NFL.


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We all are projecting development unto Meredith this year. However, his production from last year is replaceable.

This was going to be a heavy run and pass to TE offense anyway. Double TE sets galore.


He was clearly the 2nd best offensive player and the best receiver. The Bears don't have a replacement.

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We all are projecting development unto Meredith this year. However, his production from last year is replaceable.

This was going to be a heavy run and pass to TE offense anyway. Double TE sets galore.


He was clearly the 2nd best offensive player and the best receiver. The Bears don't have a replacement.

I'd put Whitehair, Long, Howard, Sitton...all better than Meredith. That's not even a knock on Meredith, the Bears have kind of built up a decent stable of offensive players.


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Second best skill player is what Nas meant to say, I'm sure.

Pro Football Focus ranked the Bears O-Line 5th best in the league on the strength of Long/Whitehair/Sitton.

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If they really have struck gold with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and the OL stays mostly healthy (aka Whitehair keeps anchoring that unit) they will find 1000 yard receivers organically. Meredith was a nice looking WR but nothing really special, its not like they lost Julio Jones out there.

Guys who can run routes well and have good hands are dime-a-dozen in the NFL.


That easy huh? This isn't Madden "Build a player" for Christ sake.


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If they really have struck gold with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and the OL stays mostly healthy (aka Whitehair keeps anchoring that unit) they will find 1000 yard receivers organically. Meredith was a nice looking WR but nothing really special, its not like they lost Julio Jones out there.

Guys who can run routes well and have good hands are dime-a-dozen in the NFL.


That easy huh? This isn't Madden "Build a player" for Christ sake.


Victor Cruz has been that player when healthy.

I don't think it has to come from the receivers with this team. They have a diverse group of WR and TE. There are two and possibly three TE that can make plays in the middle of the field. Cohen should line up in the slot occasionally.

Yes I would want Cam Meredith on this team.

Wasn't he hurt last year without much problem?

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Victor Cruz is toast. Probably will be cut. If the Steelers cut Sammie Coates, I would mind barking up the Pittsburgh WR train one more time.


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I would throw Marquess Wilson's name out there as a potential free agent acquisition, but he was just cut by a team that currently has the worst non-expansion WR core in NFL history.

1. Robby Anderson
2. Ardarius Stewart
2. Charone Peake

So that can't be good.

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We all are projecting development unto Meredith this year. However, his production from last year is replaceable.

This was going to be a heavy run and pass to TE offense anyway. Double TE sets galore.

It's reasonable to project development. His production is replaceable but not by anyone on the current roster. This injury is fairly significant.

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If they really have struck gold with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and the OL stays mostly healthy (aka Whitehair keeps anchoring that unit) they will find 1000 yard receivers organically. Meredith was a nice looking WR but nothing really special, its not like they lost Julio Jones out there.

Guys who can run routes well and have good hands are dime-a-dozen in the NFL.


That easy huh? This isn't Madden "Build a player" for Christ sake.

Add big bodied with a very large catch radius and it becomes downright rare.

Yeah, Meredith isn't Julio Jones. But he has potential to be a very good WR, either a very strong 2 or a serviceable 1. I wouldn't just dismiss this as no big deal.

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Meredith was so good that each team passed on him 7 times.

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America wrote:
If they really have struck gold with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and the OL stays mostly healthy (aka Whitehair keeps anchoring that unit) they will find 1000 yard receivers organically. Meredith was a nice looking WR but nothing really special, its not like they lost Julio Jones out there.

Guys who can run routes well and have good hands are dime-a-dozen in the NFL.


That easy huh? This isn't Madden "Build a player" for Christ sake.

Add big bodied with a very large catch radius and it becomes downright rare.

Yeah, Meredith isn't Julio Jones. But he has potential to be a very good WR, either a very strong 2 or a serviceable 1. I wouldn't just dismiss this as no big deal.

Bears still have Kevin White, who is a poor man's Cam Merideth at best. Again, why Pace sat idly by on Terrell Prior is a mystery to me. Young/tons of upside.


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Meredith was so good that each team passed on him 7 times.


Each team passed on Tom Brady 6 times!

But seriously, that literally means nothing. Players fall through the cracks and exceed expectations all the time.


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