Well those are 3 all pros which is a little bit better than an impact player.

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Now we are entering the Brick spin cycle.

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True, but it answers your question about the difference between the Bears and SB contenders only being 4-5 guys.

Remove Beasley from that statement and it's probably still accurate.

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I don't think it answers it though. If you add three all pro players to any team they probably become above average. That doesn't mean that the Falcons don't have far more depth than the Bears. The Falcons weren't just a contender. They should have won the Super Bowl.

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But that's where our disagreement lies. I think if you add those four guys to the Browns, Jets, Colts, 49ers, and maybe a couple other teams they still don't even make the playoffs. The Bears have a lot of depth. They don't have enough playmakers.

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No, I'm saying almost every other spot on the roster becomes that much easier to fill when you have the QB set. We can look no further than the last ~8-10 years of Bears and Packers football for the proof of that.

Do you think Josh Bellamy would be as bad as if he if Aaron Rodgers was chucking the rock at him? Certainly I don't think he would be an All Pro on the Packers, but he wouldn't look this bad because Rodgers would be helping to put him in position to make catches.

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Again, I agree with you. You're not disagreeing with anything I've written here.

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Where is this depth though? As you said, the Packers outclassed the Bears in all facets of the game, and they aren't the first team this year to do it or the last one to do it.

There is a baseline NFL talent that all teams have because of the way the rosters and acquisition rules are setup but there just aren't that many players on this team that would be anything more than "a guy on an NFL team" besides the 6 or 7 that have been mentioned so far with 2 of them being the same position and the other being a quarterback with 0 snaps.

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Depth?

http://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=108287

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The Chiefs outclassed the Patriots in all phases week 1. Doesn't mean they are better. Ditto with Jacksonville and the Ravens this past week. Can't read too much into one game, but yes, GB did outclass the Bears in almost every way last night. A lot of that was because Glennon simply gave the Bears zero chance to be competitive though.

Howard and Cohen don't play the same position, except for on paper. It's way past time for "pass catching RB" to become it's own position. Devonta Freeman and Tevin Coleman don't play the same position either, same with Gillislee and James White, etc.

I think at this point we are talking in circles, so I'll just go back to saying Pace has done a good enough job thus far to warrant further time to see if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is good. You disagree.

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Every time I see those words now I think of Glennon.

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You keep on acting like last night was possibly a fluke.

I don't think Pace deserves to stay to see if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is good. No matter how good or bad (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is the rest of the results don't make me confident that he can build around (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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But if you think Pace is bad and want him fired then we start this whole cycle over of finding a new coach, finding the right type of players, etc.

Do you want the Bears to go down the Browns path?

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Fluke isn't the right word because results like that happen often. But you are right, I am acting like last night was not indicative of how good and bad each team is.

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He wants to keep going through GMs until one builds a SB contender from scratch within three years.

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The Browns aren't bad because they keep on getting new GMs. They are bad because they keep on making bad choices on players and then bad choices on new GMs.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is the future of the Bears. I want a guy who I thinks give us the best chance to be successful building around him. I'm not at all confident that Pace is that guy even though he drafted him.

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Pace better than Emery?

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I expect to see improvement in year 3, whether it is a player, coach, or GM. I just don't see it on this team.

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But are you confident that Pace is not that guy? I think that's an important distinction.

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I'd say about the same. Pace may be slightly better as he at least has a few good draft picks among the bad.

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He wants a new season long argument point this year as his whipping boy Cutler is gone.

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Thats fair, but I have to keep going back to the coach. I wish there was more clarity on how much power Pace has(same with Hahn and the Sox). Like I said, if he willingly brought Fox back and wants him as coach as this team, I think that's a fireable evaluation right there. Just not sure if that's him or ownership or whatever. I do think Fox is a significantly bigger problem than any lack of talent.

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If I had to predict the career of Pace here, I would say he is fired after year 4 or 5 and the Bears don't make the playoffs under his watch. The only real way I see that not happening if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is able to bail him out by being an elite quarterback.

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That's cool with me. Beats the shit out of arguing about Trump and Hillary for the 500th consecutive day.

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Might be right. It all depends on Fox and/or his successor. The talent is there.

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Instead of jumping in like this why not tell me I'm wrong and that Pace is going to turn the Bears into a playoff team next year or the year after?

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That's another problem.

1) Hired Fox.
2) Signed Glennon.

Both are clearly huge mistakes.

Do we trust him to hire a new coach, and to develop a team where (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can succeed?

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This is what it comes down to with me too. And I see the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky pick as just as much about Pace cynically buying himself another year regardless of how embarrassing this season goes just because the potential quarterback of the future MAY be ready to go next year. Everyone was praising his "boldness" for trading up for him and how risky it was, but it's interesting to me how many fans are now arguing for him to actually keep his job after the debacle that was last season and likely repeat this season.

I thought Fox preceded him but I might be wrong. But isn't the accepted narrative he was told he had to take Fox? I genuinely don't know.

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It does not matter at this point whether you are right or wrong. Pace certainly has not made all the right moves. I am certain though that he will not be fired now, at the end of the year or until he runs through another coach for at least two years.

So I am saying it is pointless to argue for several pages after a bad game about it. But feel free to continue.

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