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WR there is a reach, agreed. It's a prediction, not a preference.

Trade down to the mid-teens and grab a WR. Won't happen, though. Not much value in the trade for the other side as I see it now.


Baker Mayfield will be flying up draft boards if he is 6' or over and all those teams looking for a QB will get jumpy when Allen goes off the board in the top 5


Pace can double down on last years strategy and grab Mayfield at 8. After signing Glennon amd drafting a qb at two last year no one will see it coming.


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I've thought about that. Ultimately I don't think it's a good idea, but there is a compelling argument to be made for it.


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I've thought about that. Ultimately I don't think it's a good idea, but there is a compelling argument to be made for it.


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I think I know who their guy will be so please bookmark this:

Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, VT- seems like a Floyd clone and Pace loved Floyd so much he moved up to get him. Fast and long with a multi faceted game that resulted in his sack numbers being low for a guy who will be asked to rush the passer in the NFL.

You can put all your research aside. This just feels like a Bear pick under Pace.

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I think I know who their guy will be so please bookmark this:

Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, VT- seems like a Floyd clone and Pace loved Floyd so much he moved up to get him. Fast and long with a multi faceted game that resulted in his sack numbers being low for a guy who will be asked to rush the passer in the NFL.

You can put all your research aside. This just feels like a Bear pick under Pace.

Is this with dolphin approval? Who would be your guy at 8

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
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I think I know who their guy will be so please bookmark this:

Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, VT- seems like a Floyd clone and Pace loved Floyd so much he moved up to get him. Fast and long with a multi faceted game that resulted in his sack numbers being low for a guy who will be asked to rush the passer in the NFL.

You can put all your research aside. This just feels like a Bear pick under Pace.

Is this with dolphin approval? Who would be your guy at 8


I said at the time that Floyd was the one guy at the top of the draft that I did not want. He's flashed enough talent for me to admit I was wrong. I just really hate to draft guys on speculation rather than production. Major college teams play enough bums that a top of the draft talent should be able to pad stats. So, in conclusion:

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Edmunds is considered a top-5 prospect on some sites I've been on, for what that's worth. And as I said earlier in the thread, I think the Bears should at least consider grabbing another pass rusher at the 8 spot if they stay out there.


But they should also go after WR no later than the 2nd round. This is one draft I'm not on board with grabbing an O-linemen too high.

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Edmunds is considered a top-5 prospect on some sites I've been on, for what that's worth. And as I said earlier in the thread, I think the Bears should at least consider grabbing another pass rusher at the 8 spot if they stay out there.


But they should also go after WR no later than the 2nd round. This is one draft I'm not on board with grabbing an O-linemen too high.


Early thoughts are that it is a very good OL draft.

Since I'm hot on the prediction trail, the Bears will draft

Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon in round 2. They have had conversations with him at the East-West game. Helfrich recruited him. He has been showing well in the post season.

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Yeah, if nothing else having that ND O line coach should help scout diamonds in the rough for this year's draft.

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Edmunds is considered a top-5 prospect on some sites I've been on, for what that's worth. And as I said earlier in the thread, I think the Bears should at least consider grabbing another pass rusher at the 8 spot if they stay out there.


But they should also go after WR no later than the 2nd round. This is one draft I'm not on board with grabbing an O-linemen too high.


Early thoughts are that it is a very good OL draft.

Since I'm hot on the prediction trail, the Bears will draft

Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon in round 2. They have had conversations with him at the East-West game. Helfrich recruited him. He has been showing well in the post season.


He has to be better than Grasu.


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Is better than Grasu. At least there is an off chance that a defender trips on this.

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Edmunds is considered a top-5 prospect on some sites I've been on, for what that's worth. And as I said earlier in the thread, I think the Bears should at least consider grabbing another pass rusher at the 8 spot if they stay out there.


But they should also go after WR no later than the 2nd round. This is one draft I'm not on board with grabbing an O-linemen too high.


Early thoughts are that it is a very good OL draft.

Since I'm hot on the prediction trail, the Bears will draft

Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon in round 2. They have had conversations with him at the East-West game. Helfrich recruited him. He has been showing well in the post season.


He has to be better than Grasu.


Grasu has to go up there with guys like Okwo and Bauzien as the worst Bear picks of our generation. He would not have made the team out of his first training camp based on talent and production. He's on the team but they do everything in their power never to play him.

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Was Grasu the guy that was Long’s college buddy?

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
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good dolphin wrote:
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I think I know who their guy will be so please bookmark this:

Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, VT- seems like a Floyd clone and Pace loved Floyd so much he moved up to get him. Fast and long with a multi faceted game that resulted in his sack numbers being low for a guy who will be asked to rush the passer in the NFL.

You can put all your research aside. This just feels like a Bear pick under Pace.

Is this with dolphin approval? Who would be your guy at 8


I said at the time that Floyd was the one guy at the top of the draft that I did not want. He's flashed enough talent for me to admit I was wrong. I just really hate to draft guys on speculation rather than production. Major college teams play enough bums that a top of the draft talent should be able to pad stats. So, in conclusion:

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Should trust your gut, Floyd was a mistake..nobody ever doubted his speed, it's his skinny ass frame and sub par strength that's the problem.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
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Edmunds is considered a top-5 prospect on some sites I've been on, for what that's worth. And as I said earlier in the thread, I think the Bears should at least consider grabbing another pass rusher at the 8 spot if they stay out there.


But they should also go after WR no later than the 2nd round. This is one draft I'm not on board with grabbing an O-linemen too high.


Early thoughts are that it is a very good OL draft.

Since I'm hot on the prediction trail, the Bears will draft

Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon in round 2. They have had conversations with him at the East-West game. Helfrich recruited him. He has been showing well in the post season.





Tackles -the good ones- are often selected in the 1st round. So this seems like kind of a bad idea, which may ultimately make your prediction accurate because what could be more Bears than that lol? Not to say Tackles can't be found in other rounds, but usually if a guy is a legit prospect he's gone in the 1st.


I'm not much of a prognosticator or prophet when it comes to predicting the outcomes of events, more of an evaluator myself. So I'm not sure what the Bears will do, but I don't think picking an O-linemen in this draft high helps this team more than another legit pass rusher or talented WR. Just my take, and atm, that's where I stand on what I believe they should do. I'm going to start digging up vids and scouting reports soon enough (as well as pick up a draft guide or two), so until then I can't give much of an opinion on who I like outside of a handful of players I've read about like Edmunds (who I like, for the record).

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Should trust your gut, Floyd was a mistake..nobody ever doubted his speed, it's his skinny ass frame and sub par strength that's the problem.





Pair him up with a legit edge rusher and watch his stats inflate. I think he's the perfect player to benefit from another player being really good. And that's why I want to see the Bears land another legit edge rusher -maximize what you can get out of some of the other tweeners the Bears have like Floyd.


Keeping him healthy is another story altogether tho.

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Should trust your gut, Floyd was a mistake..nobody ever doubted his speed, it's his skinny ass frame and sub par strength that's the problem.





Pair him up with a legit edge rusher and watch his stats inflate. I think he's the perfect player to benefit from another player being really good. And that's why I want to see the Bears land another legit edge rusher -maximize what you can get out of some of the other tweeners the Bears have like Floyd.


Keeping him healthy is another story altogether tho.




His skinny ass will never last 16 plus weeks, liability against the run.

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Feels stupid taking a other pass rusher in the top 10 so soon after the last.


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Feels stupid taking a other pass rusher in the top 10 so soon after the last.



You feel the same about WR because we selected one not too long ago? Seems like a dumb draft strategy to me to approach it like that.



Being able to rush the passer is the second most important thing in football to only QB if you can land a legit guy. So I disagree -provided they pick the right 'legit' guy. You can never have too many guys that can go get the QB. Especially in today's pass friendly NFL.


And we actually need one, because on his own I don't think Floyd is good enough.

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Feels stupid taking a other pass rusher in the top 10 so soon after the last.


I think Floyd is very good but you need multiple pass rushers.

You can pretty much justify taking a pass rusher any year with any team.

Its the second most valued position in the game behind QB

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Bears looking hard at Mayfield. Requested an interview.


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Should make Brick happy, if true.

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Feels stupid taking a other pass rusher in the top 10 so soon after the last.


I think Floyd is very good but you need multiple pass rushers.

You can pretty much justify taking a pass rusher any year with any team.

Its the second most valued position in the game behind QB




And unlike QB, you can field many at a time -if you have them.

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Feels stupid taking a other pass rusher in the top 10 so soon after the last.


I think Floyd is very good but you need multiple pass rushers.

You can pretty much justify taking a pass rusher any year with any team.

Its the second most valued position in the game behind QB




And unlike QB, you can field many at a time -if you have them.

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They are going to look hard at all guys considered possible top half of the draft guys.

I would be extremely surprised if they go with another QB in the first round.

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Bears looking hard at Mayfield. Requested an interview.





Should make Brick happy, if true.

I was joking earlier about taking a first round qb. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can still be great.

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Bears looking hard at Mayfield. Requested an interview.


Interview denied.


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Bears looking hard at Mayfield. Requested an interview.


Interview denied.


Wtf does that mean? You don’t want to be a pro?

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Bears looking hard at Mayfield. Requested an interview.


Interview denied.


Wtf does that mean? You don’t want to be a pro?

Bears are like the Browns now. Players want to play for competent organizations.

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Bears looking hard at Mayfield. Requested an interview.


Interview denied.


Wtf does that mean? You don’t want to be a pro?

Bears are like the Browns now. Players want to play for competent organizations.


He's probably scared of Chicago Police.

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