It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:26 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 201 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:04 pm
Posts: 12561
Location: Lake of the Ozarks (whenever I can)
pizza_Place: Mauries Table
good dolphin wrote:
America wrote:
Feels stupid taking a other pass rusher in the top 10 so soon after the last.


I think Floyd is very good but you need multiple pass rushers.

You can pretty much justify taking a pass rusher any year with any team.

Its the second most valued position in the game behind QB

What about Floyd leads you to believe he is very good? His sack stats are ok (about 1/2 per game) but he does very little otherwise (just 3 tackles per game, 1 forced fumble in 2 years and 0 ints).

_________________
If we nominate Trump we will get destroyed & we'll deserve it.- L Graham
I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.- DJT 2016
MAY THEY ROT IN HELL. AGAIN, MERRY CHRISTMAS!- DJT 12/25/23


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27570
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Floyd had 2 of his 4.5 sacks against a third stringer tackle and a hobbled Bradford this year.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:04 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 55711
A lot of chatter about Buffalo wanting to get into the top 10 to get a QB.

They have the 21st and 22nd picks in the first round.

Could make for an interesting situation for the bears.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:19 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 am
Posts: 6454
pizza_Place: Giordano's
RFDC wrote:
A lot of chatter about Buffalo wanting to get into the top 10 to get a QB.

They have the 21st and 22nd picks in the first round.

Could make for an interesting situation for the bears.



Has Ryan Pace traded down with any 1st rd picks?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:22 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 39599
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
I don't think so but I would not mind trading down.

_________________
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

-Ronald Reagan


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 39748
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Starting to warm up to the idea a bit of taking Nelson at 8. I would really prefer a trade down though. Outside of 5-6 top guys there really is no difference talent-wise, IMO between these players in the 1st round.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:21 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:06 pm
Posts: 2202
Location: Champaign, IL
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
Caller Bob wrote:
Starting to warm up to the idea a bit of taking Nelson at 8. I would really prefer a trade down though. Outside of 5-6 top guys there really is no difference talent-wise, IMO between these players in the 1st round.


If Nelson makes it to 8, there'd be little question you go with him unless an insane offer comes in or Pace is set on a guy like Edmunds. If Nelson or Chubb aren't there at 8, I'd love if Pace took Vita Vea. Guy is a monster.

_________________
Quote:
When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 39748
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Dewskie wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Starting to warm up to the idea a bit of taking Nelson at 8. I would really prefer a trade down though. Outside of 5-6 top guys there really is no difference talent-wise, IMO between these players in the 1st round.


If Nelson makes it to 8, there'd be little question you go with him unless an insane offer comes in or Pace is set on a guy like Edmunds. If Nelson or Chubb aren't there at 8, I'd love if Pace took Vita Vea. Guy is a monster.


Oh, God, why would you take Vea? He's a two down lineman at best, at a position where you are already strong with Goldman. You know what is trending, taking big ass DT's high is not smart. Look at Shelton, already on his 2nd team. These guys have to come off the field so much in this passing league.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79878
Caller Bob wrote:
Dewskie wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Starting to warm up to the idea a bit of taking Nelson at 8. I would really prefer a trade down though. Outside of 5-6 top guys there really is no difference talent-wise, IMO between these players in the 1st round.


If Nelson makes it to 8, there'd be little question you go with him unless an insane offer comes in or Pace is set on a guy like Edmunds. If Nelson or Chubb aren't there at 8, I'd love if Pace took Vita Vea. Guy is a monster.


Oh, God, why would you take Vea? He's a two down lineman at best, at a position where you are already strong with Goldman. You know what is trending, taking big ass DT's high is not smart. Look at Shelton, already on his 2nd team. These guys have to come off the field so much in this passing league.


and they get chewed up quickly

Shelton, Wilkinson, Suh, and Ngata all were on the market this year

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79878
Dewskie wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Starting to warm up to the idea a bit of taking Nelson at 8. I would really prefer a trade down though. Outside of 5-6 top guys there really is no difference talent-wise, IMO between these players in the 1st round.


If Nelson makes it to 8, there'd be little question you go with him unless an insane offer comes in or Pace is set on a guy like Edmunds. If Nelson or Chubb aren't there at 8, I'd love if Pace took Vita Vea. Guy is a monster.


One of the players considered to be elite will be there for the Bears if 4 QB get taken. I'd say the elite are Barkely, Chubb, Fitzpatrick and Nelson. If four do not get taken, someone will be offering a trade down.

I'm starting to think interest in Chubb will become soft as the draft approaches and he ends up being there at 8.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:45 am
Posts: 2946
pizza_Place: Drag's
You can see it coming--the Bear trade up to get Shea McVander Esch, a/k/a John Thierry for the new millenium, even though nobody else has him on their 1st round board. He'll finish his career in 2021 as the greatest kickoff team gunner in Packers history. No way Pace passes on this guy.


http://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/0 ... h/aereepz/

_________________
Soccer 1,2,3
Spanish Honor Society 1,2,3,4
Forensics 1,2,3,4

"Smiles with Nostrils"

"...no Hmong, go find some blacks"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 17, 2013 6:09 pm
Posts: 10702
pizza_Place: Generic Pizza Store
the closer we get to the draft, the more i dislike taking a guard at 8. It's stupid.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:39 pm
Posts: 19521
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
DannyB wrote:
You can see it coming--the Bear trade up to get Shea McVander Esch, a/k/a John Thierry for the new millenium, even though nobody else has him on their 1st round board. He'll finish his career in 2021 as the greatest kickoff team gunner in Packers history. No way Pace passes on this guy.


http://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/0 ... h/aereepz/


You use Shea McClellin as a way to show Pace can't pass on a player?

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Missing Link wrote:
For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 39748
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
I want Davenport. Leonard Floyd is a bit of a china doll and we literally have no pass rusher opposite him.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:06 pm
Posts: 2202
Location: Champaign, IL
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
good dolphin wrote:
Dewskie wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Starting to warm up to the idea a bit of taking Nelson at 8. I would really prefer a trade down though. Outside of 5-6 top guys there really is no difference talent-wise, IMO between these players in the 1st round.


If Nelson makes it to 8, there'd be little question you go with him unless an insane offer comes in or Pace is set on a guy like Edmunds. If Nelson or Chubb aren't there at 8, I'd love if Pace took Vita Vea. Guy is a monster.


One of the players considered to be elite will be there for the Bears if 4 QB get taken. I'd say the elite are Barkely, Chubb, Fitzpatrick and Nelson. If four do not get taken, someone will be offering a trade down.

I'm starting to think interest in Chubb will become soft as the draft approaches and he ends up being there at 8.


There's a joke in there about a soft Chubb. I'm going into the draft with the expectations of Chubb, Barkley, and Nelson all being gone by 8. If for some reason any of those three is there, jackpot. If there's a quarterback there, the phone will be ringing (I would think).

Chubb would be a great get if he fell that far. It makes a ton of sense.

_________________
Quote:
When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 17, 2013 6:09 pm
Posts: 10702
pizza_Place: Generic Pizza Store
can anyone explain to me why the elite guard prospect doesn't project to be a tackle in the NFL?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 55711
billypootons wrote:
can anyone explain to me why the elite guard prospect doesn't project to be a tackle in the NFL?

I am pretty sure I have read where a few GMs think he does....but it does not ever get discussed...

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79878
billypootons wrote:
can anyone explain to me why the elite guard prospect doesn't project to be a tackle in the NFL?


Short arms are one physical deficiency. Tackles need to keep a player away from their body and extend the edges of the pocket where a guard just needs to be stout in holding a position. Quickness in side to side and lateral is also more important to a tackle. Og even when pulling is running forward

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27570
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Caller Bob wrote:
I want Davenport. Leonard Floyd is a bit of a china doll and we literally have no pass rusher opposite him.



Yeah..he looks like Kevin White phtsically..way too thin to hold up 16 games.. He's a nobody.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27570
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
good dolphin wrote:
billypootons wrote:
can anyone explain to me why the elite guard prospect doesn't project to be a tackle in the NFL?


Short arms are one physical deficiency. Tackles need to keep a player away from their body and extend the edges of the pocket where a guard just needs to be stout in holding a position. Quickness in side to side and lateral is also more important to a tackle. Og even when pulling is running forward



Nelson has all the physical tools to play tackle

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:14 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79878
312player wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
billypootons wrote:
can anyone explain to me why the elite guard prospect doesn't project to be a tackle in the NFL?


Short arms are one physical deficiency. Tackles need to keep a player away from their body and extend the edges of the pocket where a guard just needs to be stout in holding a position. Quickness in side to side and lateral is also more important to a tackle. Og even when pulling is running forward



Nelson has all the physical tools to play tackle


I have seen scouts say that, as long as he keeps his weight in the 320s.

I thought we were talking about Whitehair.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 39748
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
I'm just shocked at those who have either Roquan Smith or Edmunds mocked to the Bears. You don't draft inside linebackers in a 3-4 defense high. That's proven theory in the NFL and hasn't changed in 30+ years. Maybe Patrick Willis was the ONE exception.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:06 pm
Posts: 2202
Location: Champaign, IL
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
Caller Bob wrote:
I'm just shocked at those who have either Roquan Smith or Edmunds mocked to the Bears. You don't draft inside linebackers in a 3-4 defense high. That's proven theory in the NFL and hasn't changed in 30+ years. Maybe Patrick Willis was the ONE exception.


It's a burden with where they're picking combined with most predictors relying on team needs more than BPA, as well as the inconsistent values that every team/expert has on every player.

That's why I'd be fine with James, Fitzpatrick, or Vea at 8, and linebacker depth chart be damned. If you're that stuck on the linebacker woes, trade down and see what's available. The other option is you hope that Trevathan, Floyd, Kwiatkoski, and Lynch are all healthy and that Sam Acho is able to play starter reps. Otherwise you're probably dicked, which is always on the table.

_________________
Quote:
When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 am
Posts: 6454
pizza_Place: Giordano's
312player wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
billypootons wrote:
can anyone explain to me why the elite guard prospect doesn't project to be a tackle in the NFL?


Short arms are one physical deficiency. Tackles need to keep a player away from their body and extend the edges of the pocket where a guard just needs to be stout in holding a position. Quickness in side to side and lateral is also more important to a tackle. Og even when pulling is running forward



Nelson has all the physical tools to play tackle



If this were the case, he would of played it in college.

Zack Martin played tackle in college, and plays guard in the NFL. I don't see this value of this guy.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79878
Caller Bob wrote:
I'm just shocked at those who have either Roquan Smith or Edmunds mocked to the Bears. You don't draft inside linebackers in a 3-4 defense high. That's proven theory in the NFL and hasn't changed in 30+ years. Maybe Patrick Willis was the ONE exception.


Edmunds physical dimensions definitely project to a guy who will move outside to rush on passing downs. You really aren't drafting him for who he has been.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68609
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PICKED THAT GUY!

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:05 am
Posts: 28664
pizza_Place: Clamburger's
I like it

_________________
Nardi wrote:
Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:06 pm
Posts: 2202
Location: Champaign, IL
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
I like the pick a good deal.

_________________
Quote:
When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68609
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
Seems a bit on the small side for a difference maker at LB.

Who knows though.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 2018 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Butkus - Singletary - Urlacher - Smith

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 201 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group