It is currently Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:41 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 177 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Cam Heyward got hurt and didn't return for the 2nd half. There was zero pass rush once he left and the coverage was atrocious. Watt was not the same guy without him. The wr's would make one move and separate and there was no safety help at all. I see most people are crowning Fields but that looked like he was running the Ohio State offense vs Rutgers. No pass rush and wr's open by a good 5-10 yds. 35 for Pitt is hopefully out of work after that game. The throw to old man river graham was in a very tight window but the rest looked like a typical OSU game.


I loved that beautiful incompletion Love threw to Adams. Aikman got on Love for being "inaccurate" but we all know that's irrelevant.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:33 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 27804
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Can a moderator pin it to the top of the Bears section so we can continue to laugh at it as Fields ascends through the NFL QB ranks?


He does have room to ascend...currently only Zack Wilson has a lower QB rating.


And do you think he's going to stay there?

In your estimation, what does the future hold for Fields?

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:41 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 27804
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Cam Heyward got hurt and didn't return for the 2nd half. There was zero pass rush once he left and the coverage was atrocious. Watt was not the same guy without him. The wr's would make one move and separate and there was no safety help at all. I see most people are crowning Fields but that looked like he was running the Ohio State offense vs Rutgers. No pass rush and wr's open by a good 5-10 yds. 35 for Pitt is hopefully out of work after that game. The throw to old man river graham was in a very tight window but the rest looked like a typical OSU game.


Yup, Mooney was wide open on this easy throw. You really know your football!


_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38102
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
He made a nice throw to ARob on that long completion .

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
badrogue17 wrote:
He made a nice throw to ARob on that long completion .

:lol:

Come on, rouge. I know you think he's a bust but you can think he did well and believe he's a bust at the same time. For example, that throw to Graham with two guys in his face was the shit.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:39 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 27804
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Note the leap the Bears offense has taken in the past two weeks. It will be interesting to see what they can do against the Ravens, who also will be coming off of an extended rest.


_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:42 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77140
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
I like how he rolled to his left and threw Mooney open. It reminded me of Joe Montana finding Dwight Clark in the back of the endzone.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
Before this week it was hard to separate Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Maybe Wilson as worst with Fields a close second. I don't watch Jaguars games but I don't think Lawrence has has done anything like what Fields did in the second half. Correct me if I'm wrong. So perhaps Lawrence and Fields are tied for second, or maybe fields is slightly ahead, with Jones being first so far for the rookies this season.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY


Last edited by veganfan21 on Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:54 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77140
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
I don't think Mac has been spectacular, but he clearly has been the best because of coaching and his ability to see the field. The past 2 weeks from Fields probably moves him to 2nd. Lawrence and Wilson have absolutely sucked despite getting every rep with the #1's on offense. Trey Lance looks like he's going to need to sit for the next 3 years.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Nas wrote:
I don't think Mac has been spectacular, but he clearly has been the best because of coaching and his ability to see the field. The past 2 weeks from Fields probably moves him to 2nd. Lawrence and Wilson have absolutely sucked despite getting every rep with the #1's on offense. Trey Lance looks like he's going to need to sit for the next 3 years.

Trevor's mostly been fine. He looks how you expect a rookie QB with an overmatched coach and bad roster to look.

Wilson looks irredeemable.

Fields will end up as the best QB of this class.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:40 pm
Posts: 15991
pizza_Place: Boni Vino
Tall Midget wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Can a moderator pin it to the top of the Bears section so we can continue to laugh at it as Fields ascends through the NFL QB ranks?


He does have room to ascend...currently only Zack Wilson has a lower QB rating.


And do you think he's going to stay there?

In your estimation, what does the future hold for Fields?


Middle of the pack QB, maybe top 7-10 if everything works out and he doesn't get injured. Won't be as good as Russell Wilson or Mike Vick.

_________________
To IkeSouth, bigfan wrote:
Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
Why not? Honest question. Interested in your reasoning.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:40 pm
Posts: 15991
pizza_Place: Boni Vino
veganfan21 wrote:
Why not? Honest question. Interested in your reasoning.


I think his hands are undersized, which will make him prone to fumbling and not allow him to be in that top tier of arm talent which requires large hands and a strong grip.

He doesn't seem to have the elusiveness of Wilson as far as never taking a direct hit.

Finally, I think there are reasons he wasn't taken until 11th in the draft, and I don't think Pace outsmarted anyone. Clearly he came from a top program and had outstanding performance in college in the biggest games...which makes you wonder why he wasn't drafted higher. After he beat Clemson, I was one of the few people saying he should go higher than Lawrence. And I stand by that -- but that's partly because I don't think Lawrence is good.

_________________
To IkeSouth, bigfan wrote:
Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:55 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 27804
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Jaw Breaker wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Why not? Honest question. Interested in your reasoning.


I think his hands are undersized, which will make him prone to fumbling and not allow him to be in that top tier of arm talent which requires large hands and a strong grip.

He doesn't seem to have the elusiveness of Wilson as far as never taking a direct hit.

Finally, I think there are reasons he wasn't taken until 11th in the draft, and I don't think Pace outsmarted anyone. Clearly he came from a top program and had outstanding performance in college in the biggest games...which makes you wonder why he wasn't drafted higher. After he beat Clemson, I was one of the few people saying he should go higher than Lawrence. And I stand by that -- but that's partly because I don't think Lawrence is good.


I just want to be clear on what you're saying: His hands are too small to be an elite thrower? Is that right?

Doesn't Fields have basically the same size hands (9.25 in) as Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers (9.38 in)?

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:11 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77140
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Russell Wilson is 5'9" and about 200 lbs and he ran a 4.55 40. Justin Fields is 6'3 and about 240 and he ran a 4.4 40. Fields size and speed makes him more than capable of taking hits and eluding would be tacklers. Fields has essentially the same size hands as Patrick Mahomes and no one believes hand size has taken away from Mahomes arm talent. The same is true for other future HoF players. The size of Justin Fields hands won't be the reason he misses the HoF.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:40 pm
Posts: 15991
pizza_Place: Boni Vino
Tall Midget wrote:
Doesn't Fields have basically the same size hands (9.25 in) as Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers (9.38 in)?


If that's the case, I take it back...9.25" is pretty big. I assume that's from tip of thumb to tip of pinky with hand spread as wide as it goes? I thought I had larger hands, and I am less than 9".

_________________
To IkeSouth, bigfan wrote:
Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
NFL teams notoriously fuck up the draft every single year but we’re pretending this past year they all of a sudden all knew what they were doing?

If anything, the Jets passing on Fields is a point in his favor, not a negative.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 40115
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
What about cock sizes?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 22611
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
Google says 9 1/8 for hands.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:59 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 27804
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
KDdidit wrote:
Google says 9 1/8 for hands.


OK, assuming that's true, his hands are .233 inches smaller than Brady's and Rodgers.

Does anyone think that will be the deciding factor in determining whether he turns out to be an elite QB or not?

Incidentally, Mike Vick's hands measure 8.5 in whereas the legendary Jim Druckenmiller has the largest hands for a QB in NFL history at 11.25 in.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
It's an interesting debate.

Quote:
Small-Handed Quarterbacks Who Excel

There are some quarterbacks with small hands who have bucked the trend to play well in the NFL, too. But as I studied those quarterbacks, it became clear that the majority have one thing in common—mobility. Some of the top small-handed quarterbacks to play in the past decade include Michael Vick (historically small 8.5-inch hands), Colin Kaepernick (9.13 inches), Robert Griffin III (9.5 inches), Daunte Culpepper (9.5 inches), Aaron Rodgers (9.38 inches), and Tony Romo (8.86 inches).

All of those passers are either runners or have well above-average mobility in the pocket. Romo is the least athletic by far, but even he has been able to work wizardry in the pocket at times to buy time for receivers.

Thus, I think what we’re seeing here is that quarterbacks either need to have above-average hand size or above-average mobility to ultimately do what passers need to do to win—deliver the football with accuracy. If you aren’t going to be able to stand in the pocket and consistently throw the ball accurately like Peyton Manning, you better be able to move around, buying time to make those throws easier.

When quarterbacks have both traits—like Russell Wilson, for example—it’s perhaps a really strong sign that they’re going to perform above expectations in the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/exploring- ... --nfl.html


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... -calendar/

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:23 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 27804
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
veganfan21 wrote:
It's an interesting debate.

Quote:
Small-Handed Quarterbacks Who Excel

There are some quarterbacks with small hands who have bucked the trend to play well in the NFL, too. But as I studied those quarterbacks, it became clear that the majority have one thing in common—mobility. Some of the top small-handed quarterbacks to play in the past decade include Michael Vick (historically small 8.5-inch hands), Colin Kaepernick (9.13 inches), Robert Griffin III (9.5 inches), Daunte Culpepper (9.5 inches), Aaron Rodgers (9.38 inches), and Tony Romo (8.86 inches).

All of those passers are either runners or have well above-average mobility in the pocket. Romo is the least athletic by far, but even he has been able to work wizardry in the pocket at times to buy time for receivers.

Thus, I think what we’re seeing here is that quarterbacks either need to have above-average hand size or above-average mobility to ultimately do what passers need to do to win—deliver the football with accuracy. If you aren’t going to be able to stand in the pocket and consistently throw the ball accurately like Peyton Manning, you better be able to move around, buying time to make those throws easier.

When quarterbacks have both traits—like Russell Wilson, for example—it’s perhaps a really strong sign that they’re going to perform above expectations in the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/exploring- ... --nfl.html


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... -calendar/


Legendarily mobile QB Dan Marino has 9.125 in hands.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
It’s literally never occurred to me to give a shit about the size of a QB’s hands.

It is possible to overthink some of this stuff

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 64571
Location: Darkside Estates
pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree.
Was it Dave Krieg with the notoriously small hands?

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014
bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 26564
veganfan21 wrote:
It's an interesting debate.

Quote:
Small-Handed Quarterbacks Who Excel

There are some quarterbacks with small hands who have bucked the trend to play well in the NFL, too. But as I studied those quarterbacks, it became clear that the majority have one thing in common—mobility. Some of the top small-handed quarterbacks to play in the past decade include Michael Vick (historically small 8.5-inch hands), Colin Kaepernick (9.13 inches), Robert Griffin III (9.5 inches), Daunte Culpepper (9.5 inches), Aaron Rodgers (9.38 inches), and Tony Romo (8.86 inches).

All of those passers are either runners or have well above-average mobility in the pocket. Romo is the least athletic by far, but even he has been able to work wizardry in the pocket at times to buy time for receivers.

Thus, I think what we’re seeing here is that quarterbacks either need to have above-average hand size or above-average mobility to ultimately do what passers need to do to win—deliver the football with accuracy. If you aren’t going to be able to stand in the pocket and consistently throw the ball accurately like Peyton Manning, you better be able to move around, buying time to make those throws easier.

When quarterbacks have both traits—like Russell Wilson, for example—it’s perhaps a really strong sign that they’re going to perform above expectations in the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/exploring- ... --nfl.html


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... -calendar/


how are 'credited' journalists so stupid? the average hand size in US is 7.6 for males. the smallest hand he mentioned is far over that, showing that everyone he is taking into account is well over average. furthermore, it would only make sense that hand size effectiveness would correlate with the size of the NFL football. of which again, everyone he mentioned has hands well equipped to handle that size ball, so how the fuck does that statistic matter in any sense?

this article is as significant as a covid statistic.

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:06 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 pm
Posts: 27804
pizza_Place: Zaffiro's
Kevin Fishbain wrote:
Fields has already tied Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s total of 20-plus pass plays from 2020, and he’s five away from passing Nick Foles. His passes are averaging three more air yards per attempt than both quarterbacks.

_________________
Antonio Gramsci wrote:
The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Tall Midget wrote:
Kevin Fishbain wrote:
Fields has already tied Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s total of 20-plus pass plays from 2020, and he’s five away from passing Nick Foles. His passes are averaging three more air yards per attempt than both quarterbacks.

A lot of that’s on Nagy. He seems perpetually terrified of his QBs making him look bad

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:18 pm
Posts: 27451
Location: Rizzo fo Shizzo
pizza_Place: Pizza Villa in DeKalb.
Why are we talking about small hands when we should be talking about short memories. Let us go back in time to Mitch's rookie year as well as his first year with Nagy. Fields has been a turnover machine as well as a tackling dummy in the backfield. As Tom Kiefer once said "you don't now what you got till its gone, you pretend your new piece is better than the last even if you're wrong"

_________________
That's my purse! I don't know you!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:39 pm
Posts: 19521
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Why are we talking about small hands when we should be talking about short memories. Let us go back in time to Mitch's rookie year as well as his first year with Nagy. Fields has been a turnover machine as well as a tackling dummy in the backfield. As Tom Kiefer once said "you don't now what you got till its gone, you pretend your new piece is better than the last even if you're wrong"


Mitch never looked like Fields did in Pittsburgh. Fields is showing more than Mitch ever did.

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Missing Link wrote:
For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:18 pm
Posts: 27451
Location: Rizzo fo Shizzo
pizza_Place: Pizza Villa in DeKalb.
Mitch is a pro bowl QB that has thrown 6 TD's in a single game. Show the man some respect!!!

_________________
That's my purse! I don't know you!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 177 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 22 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group