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I don't get how people can be so down on Fields and ignore the fact that he is making some plays that only one or two quarterbacks in all of football can make.
Because he is not making plays that 26 or 27 quarterbacks all of football execute every game.

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I don't get how people can be so down on Fields and ignore the fact that he is making some plays that only one or two quarterbacks in all of football can make.
Because he is not making plays that 26 or 27 quarterbacks all of football execute every game.


He had about 300 yards of offense in that game yesterday.

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Fast forward to :55 seconds.

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That's true. I noticed it also. IT comes down to lack of talent on the receivers part including the TEs. That was a touchdown with about 90% of the teams. The Bears do not have a legit go to tight end. The guy looked like a town drunk running that "route". We knew this going in that we were going to suffer offensively due to a bad interior offensive line as well as weak receivers. But the offensive coordinator isn't helping that either with his formations and play calls. He's got a terrifically mobile quarterback but keeps him in the middle of the pocket. In short yardage situations he's has the wrong running back in the game. Instead of throwing a short pass to his best tight end, Kmet, he throws it to a guy who hasn't caught one NFL pass in his life, probably.

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I don't get how people can be so down on Fields and ignore the fact that he is making some plays that only one or two quarterbacks in all of football can make.
Because he is not making plays that 26 or 27 quarterbacks all of football execute every game.


He had about 300 yards of offense in that game yesterday.




While it isn’t fair to put all the blame on Fields -it’s disingenuous for anyone that at least claims to understand football to say Fields looks good or is on his way to looking good.


Fields being bad while his line and receivers are also bad can be simultaneously true, which it is imo.


I was one of the 1st here to stand up for Fields in the off-season saying he’s got to have help to develop, and even I see things that he all on his own is fucking up and making no progress on.


Fields does not look like the guy -for now.

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No he isn’t. Watch it from this angle. He's immediately wide open after he chips. The ball is way overthrown. There was absolutely no reason to lead him or throw to a spot.



Except you are mistaken.

It took too long to get a release, and he opened up his shoulders before he should have which lost him the step he needed that would have allowed him to catch the ball.

He didn't do what he has been coached to do. Period. And that's what Johnson points out.

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x and o it all you want, that TE is likely not ever faster than that. you don't have to do much as the QB to get it to him. he's wide open. he didn't like stop, or stutter. maybe he should be wide opener...but he's at that point still wide open.


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If the bears get a high draft pick and a shot at a top qb prospect, they are cutting bait with fields. This new regime isnt going down with him.


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i agree they will try to draft a new qb. fields looks like a kid out there, and i dont think hes gonna get a whole hell of a lot better.

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Fields time holding the ball before being sacked:

5.9 seconds time to sack / 3.8 seconds first pressure
4.4 seconds time to sack / 3.5 seconds first pressure
7.8(!!!) seconds time to sack / 3.3 seconds first pressure
2.2 seconds time to sack
4.6 seconds time to sack

Fields 10 scrambles + 5 sacks = 15 times out of 42 drop backs when Fields doesn't even bother throwing the ball

Fields grades out as worst starting QB as a passer in the league, and it's not close:

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Fields time holding the ball before being sacked:

5.9 seconds time to sack / 3.8 seconds first pressure
4.4 seconds time to sack / 3.5 seconds first pressure
7.8(!!!) seconds time to sack / 3.3 seconds first pressure
2.2 seconds time to sack
4.6 seconds time to sack

Fields 10 scrambles + 5 sacks = 15 times out of 42 drop backs when Fields doesn't even bother throwing the ball

Fields grades out as worst starting QB as a passer in the league, and it's not close:

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If he had 9 or 10 seconds things would be different.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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I don't get how people can be so down on Fields and ignore the fact that he is making some plays that only one or two quarterbacks in all of football can make.
Because he is not making plays that 26 or 27 quarterbacks all of football execute every game.


He had about 300 yards of offense in that game yesterday.




While it isn’t fair to put all the blame on Fields -it’s disingenuous for anyone that at least claims to understand football to say Fields looks good or is on his way to looking good.


Fields being bad while his line and receivers are also bad can be simultaneously true, which it is imo.


I was one of the 1st here to stand up for Fields in the off-season saying he’s got to have help to develop, and even I see things that he all on his own is fucking up and making no progress on.


Fields does not look like the guy -for now.


Like I said, there aren't 2-3 quarterbacks in all of football who can run like Fields. In terms of raw ability, he is the best quarterback they've had in my lifetime. Even in the Bear's shitty years, they've had decent receivers, good tight ends and a tough defense to keep the game close. This Bear's team have NONE OF THAT. Quite a few of the analysts that I listened to before and after this game, blame the OC for not tailoring the play calling around Field's great talents and not to cramp him in into some predetermined offense where he will get killed.

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If the bears get a high draft pick and a shot at a top qb prospect, they are cutting bait with fields. This new regime isnt going down with him.


Nope. They'd be crazy to do it. It'd be wasting a pick on something that they don't need.

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Hussra wrote:
Fields time holding the ball before being sacked:

5.9 seconds time to sack / 3.8 seconds first pressure
4.4 seconds time to sack / 3.5 seconds first pressure
7.8(!!!) seconds time to sack / 3.3 seconds first pressure
2.2 seconds time to sack
4.6 seconds time to sack

Fields 10 scrambles + 5 sacks = 15 times out of 42 drop backs when Fields doesn't even bother throwing the ball

Fields grades out as worst starting QB as a passer in the league, and it's not close:

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If he had 9 or 10 seconds things would be different.



300 total yards offense. One muffed punt return and a terrible tight end and they'd be 3-3.

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Quite a few of the analysts that I listened to before and after this game, blame the OC for not tailoring the play calling around Field's great talents and not to cramp him in into some predetermined offense where he will get killed.


So the Bears should implement an offense like Baltimore had Lamar run his first couple seasons? 10 to 12 designed runs a game, 1000+ yards rushing a season? This is the second group of coordinators and coaches to have Fields as their QB...hard to believe none of the big brains on either staff considered all options for Fields. Maybe Fields' next OC will know how to unlock his full potential. Or maybe the coaches know Fields better than we do or tv analysts do and run an offense within his capabilities.


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I think the TE opened up his shoulders because he got such a wide open release, he thought it was going to be a simple pitch and catch at that point. The big thing there is probably a lack of chemistry because the Bears really have no defined roles in their pass catchers. The national media saying none of it is Fields' fault lose all credibility instantly.


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That play was a good topic on the radio. I agreed with the point that when you have the time Fields did, with a guy that wide open, “defended” by a defensive end clueless in pass coverage, a quarterback has to hit the guy in the hands 100 out of 100 times. The only reason that can’t be a touchdown is if the TE drops it or falls down. Waddle rightly pointed out plays hardly ever go 100% according to plan so just because that one didn’t is no excuse for Fields to miss that badly.


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No he isn’t. Watch it from this angle. He's immediately wide open after he chips. The ball is way overthrown. There was absolutely no reason to lead him or throw to a spot.



Except you are mistaken.

It took too long to get a release, and he opened up his shoulders before he should have which lost him the step he needed that would have allowed him to catch the ball.

He didn't do what he has been coached to do. Period. And that's what Johnson points out.


Jim Miller said on the Score yesterday that Fields made the mistake because there's no way he should miss a guy who's that wide open. It doesn't matter if Griffin didn't run the pattern exactly the way it was drawn up.

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Quite a few of the analysts that I listened to before and after this game, blame the OC for not tailoring the play calling around Field's great talents and not to cramp him in into some predetermined offense where he will get killed.


So the Bears should implement an offense like Baltimore had Lamar run his first couple seasons? 10 to 12 designed runs a game, 1000+ yards rushing a season? This is the second group of coordinators and coaches to have Fields as their QB...hard to believe none of the big brains on either staff considered all options for Fields. Maybe Fields' next OC will know how to unlock his full potential. Or maybe the coaches know Fields better than we do or tv analysts do and run an offense within his capabilities.

Bears Fans/ Media : The o-Line sucks , Field is getting killed out there !!
Also Bears Fans/ Media: Why arent they running Fields more ????

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He helped the end goal of improving their draft pick. I wish him well.

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No he isn’t. Watch it from this angle. He's immediately wide open after he chips. The ball is way overthrown. There was absolutely no reason to lead him or throw to a spot.



Except you are mistaken.

It took too long to get a release, and he opened up his shoulders before he should have which lost him the step he needed that would have allowed him to catch the ball.

He didn't do what he has been coached to do. Period. And that's what Johnson points out.


Jim Miller said on the Score yesterday that Fields made the mistake because there's no way he should miss a guy who's that wide open. It doesn't matter if Griffin didn't run the pattern exactly the way it was drawn up.



yeah, thats a bad pass.

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So I guess we are blaming fumbles that were not lost for the Bears only winning by 19 points on the road on Monday Night :lol: :lol:

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Quite a few of the analysts that I listened to before and after this game, blame the OC for not tailoring the play calling around Field's great talents and not to cramp him in into some predetermined offense where he will get killed.


So the Bears should implement an offense like Baltimore had Lamar run his first couple seasons? 10 to 12 designed runs a game, 1000+ yards rushing a season? This is the second group of coordinators and coaches to have Fields as their QB...hard to believe none of the big brains on either staff considered all options for Fields. Maybe Fields' next OC will know how to unlock his full potential. Or maybe the coaches know Fields better than we do or tv analysts do and run an offense within his capabilities.



I would say that last night's game pretty well showed the way to use Field's talents as a quarterback. Kudus to the coaching staff for tailoring that game plan around Field's talent and not forcing him to stay in the pocket and get killed.

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Fields, Refs, Punt team or defense? Who we going with this week?

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The officials, the defensive front and the punt team.

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