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Great late-game heroics from Fields there.

I am not a Fields apologist, but what was he supposed to do?

He did not call the run plays. He threw a really nice pass that Scott has to catch.

This one is way more on the Coaches than on Fields

How about hold on to the fucking ball so you have a chance at a field goal to tie it? CJ Stroud marched his team for a TD with less than a minute. Fields can’t even hold onto the fucking ball to give yourself a shot at a FG.

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Great late-game heroics from Fields there.

I am not a Fields apologist, but what was he supposed to do?

He did not call the run plays. He threw a really nice pass that Scott has to catch.

This one is way more on the Coaches than on Fields

How about hold on to the fucking ball so you have a chance at a field goal to tie it? CJ Stroud marched his team for a TD with less than a minute. Fields can’t even hold onto the fucking ball to give yourself a shot at a FG.

you mean the situation where Fields got the ball back with like 20 secs left in the game because Flus dont understand how to handle the clock at end of the game?

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Great late-game heroics from Fields there.

I am not a Fields apologist, but what was he supposed to do?

He did not call the run plays. He threw a really nice pass that Scott has to catch.

This one is way more on the Coaches than on Fields

How about hold on to the fucking ball so you have a chance at a field goal to tie it? CJ Stroud marched his team for a TD with less than a minute. Fields can’t even hold onto the fucking ball to give yourself a shot at a FG.

you mean the situation where Fields got the ball back with like 20 secs left in the game because Flus dont understand how to handle the clock at end of the game?

Yes. I’ve seen decent QBs get 40 yds in that amount of time to position their team for a FG. I’ve seen a rookie QB drive 70 yds for a TD in 40 seconds this year. 40 yds with 20 seconds and 2 TOs is only impossible when you fumble the fucking ball.

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Olin is going into more detail on why at least some of it is on Fields. On the second down play of the next-to-last drive (to put the game away), he handed off on a RPO when he had an opening to run himself. On the safety, Olin said Fields dropped back too deeply, where Davis was not expecting him.

Just another typical Fields loss…100 yards rushing, 160 yards passing. And that’s with owning the ball for more than 2/3 of the game.

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Olin is going into more detail on why at least some of it is on Fields. On the second down play of the next-to-last drive (to put the game away), he handed off on a RPO when he had an opening to run himself. On the safety, Olin said Fields dropped back too deeply, where Davis was not expecting him.

Just another typical Fields loss…100 yards rushing, 160 yards passing. And that’s with owning the ball for more than 2/3 of the game.

They scored one TD off 4 turnovers along with being helped by how many 3rd down penalties ? That’s not going to cut it

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The fact of the matter is he is a fumbly guy. However, he did catch some bad luck when he had a receiver stumble about on a perfectly thrown pass in crunch time. Crunch time is one of his problems and a TD there would have done some damage to that narrative.


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Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.

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Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.

Isn't he the guy who says he doesn't believe in being coached? With that comes more credit in good times and more blame in bad times. I'd still fire Eberflus first thing in the morning, though.

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Curious Hair wrote:
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Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.

Isn't he the guy who says he doesn't believe in being coached? With that comes more credit in good times and more blame in bad times. I'd still fire Eberflus first thing in the morning, though.

I am ready to move on from both Fields and Flus.

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Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

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He sits in the pocket way too long—I guess he always thinks he’ll scramble away from any rushers. There was a third down sack late in the game that Herbert was open as an outlet. Most NFL QBs would have quickly dumped it to him and at least had a chance at a first down. Fields stands back there waiting for someone to get open deep, pats the ball, and gets sacked.

I’d like to see a passing chart, big I don’t think he dumped the ball off very effectively when he needed to. He’s like the opposite of Bagent—combine them and you’d have a real QB.


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denisdman wrote:
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Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

I am not arguing that he is a winner or that he lit things up today.

Just saying he was good enough to win today. The coaches were not good enough to win.

They should still clean house of the QB and the coaches at the end of the year.

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I went for a walk with five minutes left and they lose.

Incredible.

Who admits to going for walks? I sure the fuck hope you have a dog.


I went for a walk with the dog when Scott let up on that ball with 3 minutes left. Knew it was over and I was right.

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Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

He’s objectively not a good QB. He’s exciting at times but a good outcome for him is 26 points and a loss.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills listening to his fans. What the fuck are they watching?

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Remember when we used to say, "That's Detroit being Detroit" when they would consistently blow leads and lose games? The Chicago Bears are now the Detroit Lions. Irony.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
denisdman wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

He’s objectively not a good QB. He’s exciting at times but a good outcome for him is 26 points and a loss.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills listening to his fans. What the fuck are they watching?


To hit the point home from the other thread...

This season, Justin Fields is now...

Fourth Quarter: 27/50, 329 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT and 3 sacks
Fourth Quarter, +/- 7 Points: 5/10, 50 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 1 sack
Last Two Minutes of a Half: 13/27, 93 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT, 2 sacks

Career...

Fourth Quarter: 128/223, 1,382 yards, 10 TD, 14 INT, 27 sacks
Fourth Quarter, +/- 7 Points: 41/70, 488 yards, 2 TD, 5 INT, 11 sacks
Last Two Minutes of a Half: 70/125, 699 yards, 6 TD, 10 INT, 22 sacks

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He sits in the pocket way too long—I guess he always thinks he’ll scramble away from any rushers. There was a third down sack late in the game that Herbert was open as an outlet. Most NFL QBs would have quickly dumped it to him and at least had a chance at a first down. Fields stands back there waiting for someone to get open deep, pats the ball, and gets sacked.

I’d like to see a passing chart, big I don’t think he dumped the ball off very effectively when he needed to. He’s like the opposite of Bagent—combine them and you’d have a real QB.

I believe on that play he had Herbert open in the flat on the right and the TE on the left open as outlets. He chose to lock in on the first read and take the sack instead of taking what they were giving. He is fools gold. Hopefully they can find a sucker that only sees his talent and athleticism and not his actual body of work.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
denisdman wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

He’s objectively not a good QB. He’s exciting at times but a good outcome for him is 26 points and a loss.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills listening to his fans. What the fuck are they watching?

It’s at the point where if you are a Fields’ fan, you should want him traded. He would be better off getting a fresh start with a fan base that sees him as an upgrade, and a coaching staff that has confidence in him.

I’m with RFDC above—ready to move on from him and Flus.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
denisdman wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

He’s objectively not a good QB. He’s exciting at times but a good outcome for him is 26 points and a loss.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills listening to his fans. What the fuck are they watching?


To hit the point home from the other thread...

This season, Justin Fields is now...

Fourth Quarter: 27/50, 329 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT and 3 sacks
Fourth Quarter, +/- 7 Points: 5/10, 50 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 1 sack
Last Two Minutes of a Half: 13/27, 93 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT, 2 sacks

Career...

Fourth Quarter: 128/223, 1,382 yards, 10 TD, 14 INT, 27 sacks
Fourth Quarter, +/- 7 Points: 41/70, 488 yards, 2 TD, 5 INT, 11 sacks
Last Two Minutes of a Half: 70/125, 699 yards, 6 TD, 10 INT, 22 sacks


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There was another play where he scramled and completed a pass to DJ Moore on the sideline and you thought it was a great play till you saw the replay and saw Moore had been wide open for like 30 seconds before Fields finally realized it


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Remember when we used to say, "That's Detroit being Detroit" when they would consistently blow leads and lose games? The Chicago Bears are now the Detroit Lions. Irony.



In the Super Bowl era,

Detroit Lions

12 playoff appearances (12 seasons where they moved on to the post-season)
1 Win (1991) no playoff wins before or since in SB era
12 Losses
0 Super Bowl wins
0 Super Bowl appearances
0 Conference Championship appearances


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16 playoff seasons
10 Wins
15 Losses
1 Super Bowl win
2 Super Bowl appearances
5 Conf Championship appearances/2 Wins


Since 2K

Lions 3 playoff appearances, 3 losses
Bears 6 playoff appearances, 3 wins, 6 losses, 1 Super Bowl


Most recent playoff appearance, 2016 Lions, 2020 Bears, both one and done losses.


1 lonely ass playoff W in 50+ seasons...

Bears gotta do worse than that to knock the Lions off the shittiest franchise corner.


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Didn't Wayne Fontes bring the Lions to the conference championship one year?

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Didn't Wayne Fontes bring the Lions to the conference championship one year?


1991, with Erik Kramer at QB.

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Didn't Wayne Fontes bring the Lions to the conference championship one year?


1991, with Erik Kramer at QB.

Kramer has had more unsuccessful suicide attempts than Fields has come back fourth-quarter wins

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Did not get the play calling on the second to last possession, Fields has to keep at least one of those RPO plays, and they should be running everything to the right side with Lewis at TE, not into the A gap, Lewis may be a better LT than Borom, he singled up Hutchinson a few times and handled him with ease, that is why Fields was getting 3-5 yards every time he kept the ball on the RPO and ran off the right side. You can see running the back on first down, but Fields should run the ball at least once, the pass on third down was an odd call and allowed the Lions to save a time out and gave them valuable clock time. Really dumb coaching, handed the Lions the game.

You would think the cover 2 would be the ideal D to force the Lions to burn clock with short passes, but Eddie Jackson was late rotating over and instead of forcing the Lions to burn a few minutes you let them score quickly and you could feel the momentum shift.

Reading some of the Detroit stuff and they were fine with Fields running the ball and losing, they also talked about how Moore is the only guy on the Bears offense that is a threat, Kmet, Mooney, and all of the backs are just guys, Moore is the only playmaker on the team.


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I went for a walk with five minutes left and they lose.

Incredible.

Who admits to going for walks? I sure the fuck hope you have a dog.



Call em "hikes", sounds slightly less like you're cruising for dick in a forest preserve.


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I went for a walk with five minutes left and they lose.

Incredible.

Who admits to going for walks? I sure the fuck hope you have a dog.



Call em "hikes", sounds slightly less like you're cruising for dick in a forest preserve.

Wait that works?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

He’s objectively not a good QB. He’s exciting at times but a good outcome for him is 26 points and a loss.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills listening to his fans. What the fuck are they watching?




I love this tweet (Bernstein retweeted it) because it suggests that not only is Chicago undeserving of Fields's excellence, but he will go to San Francisco over the offseason, replace the white Brock Purdy in training camp, and thus make the 49ers go nearly undefeated, never mind that Purdy won as many games in seven weeks as Fields has won in his career.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
denisdman wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Fields was definitely not perfect, and he is not at the level of Stroud. But he was good enough today to win the game. The loss was not on him. It was on the coaching staff.


He is not a winner. Maybe it's the franchise more than him, but his record is what it is. The Bears got four turnovers, and he threw for 169 yards. It's not like he is lighting it up.

Granted he is a work class runner. That is about it.

He’s objectively not a good QB. He’s exciting at times but a good outcome for him is 26 points and a loss.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills listening to his fans. What the fuck are they watching?




I love this tweet (Bernstein retweeted it) because it suggests that not only is Chicago undeserving of Fields's excellence, but he will go to San Francisco over the offseason, replace the white Brock Purdy in training camp, and thus make the 49ers go nearly undefeated, never mind that Purdy won as many games in seven weeks as Fields has won in his career.


The Fields Cult is only bested by Trump's.

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