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Bears could drop out of the top 5 with their pick and conceivably win 2-3 more games.

What do you do? Harrison Jr. and JC Latham? Laiatu Latu? Local guy Jer'Zhan Newton? Trade down and take the best center?

Depends how they win. If those Ws come as a result of Fields (and not despite him), I think they’ll have a hard time moving on. In that scenario I think you’d have to trade out of the Panther pick with somebody desperate for a QB and focus on the lines again.


I am with you regarding focusing on the lines. Do you think Poles is still undecided on Fields?

I think he’d need massive balls to move on if Fields is even average over the next several weeks and I’m not sure he has it in him. Building the lines is a safer play and something he seems comfortable with.

I’d take Williams in a heartbeat but he’s raised enough questions this year on & off field that would make it difficult to bet your livelihood on his success.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Bears could drop out of the top 5 with their pick and conceivably win 2-3 more games.

What do you do? Harrison Jr. and JC Latham? Laiatu Latu? Local guy Jer'Zhan Newton? Trade down and take the best center?

Depends how they win. If those Ws come as a result of Fields (and not despite him), I think they’ll have a hard time moving on. In that scenario I think you’d have to trade out of the Panther pick with somebody desperate for a QB and focus on the lines again.


I am with you regarding focusing on the lines. Do you think Poles is still undecided on Fields?

I think he’d need massive balls to move on if Fields is even average over the next several weeks and I’m not sure he has it in him. Building the lines is a safer play and something he seems comfortable with.

I’d take Williams in a heartbeat but he’s raised enough questions this year on & off field that would make it difficult to bet your livelihood on his success.


I don't think it would take massive balls to move on from a QB who can't pass within the structure of an NFLL offense.

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Bears could drop out of the top 5 with their pick and conceivably win 2-3 more games.

What do you do? Harrison Jr. and JC Latham? Laiatu Latu? Local guy Jer'Zhan Newton? Trade down and take the best center?

Depends how they win. If those Ws come as a result of Fields (and not despite him), I think they’ll have a hard time moving on. In that scenario I think you’d have to trade out of the Panther pick with somebody desperate for a QB and focus on the lines again.


I am with you regarding focusing on the lines. Do you think Poles is still undecided on Fields?

I think he’d need massive balls to move on if Fields is even average over the next several weeks and I’m not sure he has it in him. Building the lines is a safer play and something he seems comfortable with.

I’d take Williams in a heartbeat but he’s raised enough questions this year on & off field that would make it difficult to bet your livelihood on his success.


I don't think it would take massive balls to move on from a QB who can't pass within the structure of an NFLL offense.

You’re betting your job on the draft pick at that point.

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I can't imagine Poles is willing to bet his career on Fields. I'm concerned he may not move on from Eberflus if the defense continues to play this way.

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I don't think it would take massive balls to move on from a QB who can't pass within the structure of an NFLL offense.

You’re betting your job on the draft pick at that point.

I think as the GM you have to take the most sure-fire pick you can. Take Junior and hope that between he and Moore they create enough coverage headaches that one or the other is wide-open enough all the time so Fields will actually throw them the ball. As we all know there is enough Fields love out there for some reason that you won’t get slammed if you don’t move on from him and with the defense rapidly improving all Fields should have to do is be average for the team to be good .

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Bears could drop out of the top 5 with their pick and conceivably win 2-3 more games.

What do you do? Harrison Jr. and JC Latham? Laiatu Latu? Local guy Jer'Zhan Newton? Trade down and take the best center?

Depends how they win. If those Ws come as a result of Fields (and not despite him), I think they’ll have a hard time moving on. In that scenario I think you’d have to trade out of the Panther pick with somebody desperate for a QB and focus on the lines again.


I am with you regarding focusing on the lines. Do you think Poles is still undecided on Fields?

I think he’d need massive balls to move on if Fields is even average over the next several weeks and I’m not sure he has it in him. Building the lines is a safer play and something he seems comfortable with.

I’d take Williams in a heartbeat but he’s raised enough questions this year on & off field that would make it difficult to bet your livelihood on his success.


I don't think it would take massive balls to move on from a QB who can't pass within the structure of an NFLL offense.

You’re betting your job on the draft pick at that point.

And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

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And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He could survive another year or two of Fields’ poor play and then move on, having built up the roster in other areas.

He drafts a QB, he’s got about three years to make it work (unless he gets the Pace treatment of course).

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And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He could survive another year or two of Fields’ poor play and then move on, having built up the roster in other areas.

He drafts a QB, he’s got about three years to make it work (unless he gets the Pace treatment of course).


So he gets 6 years to figure this out? More? Fuck man your comment sucks

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And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He could survive another year or two of Fields’ poor play and then move on, having built up the roster in other areas.

He drafts a QB, he’s got about three years to make it work (unless he gets the Pace treatment of course).


I suppose that illogic could work with a dimwit like George, but even a shallow huckster like Black Ted should realize that the evaluation period for Fields is over. It's time for Poles to declare his intentions: he's either committing to Fields, or he's moving on. Commit and it's time to win. Move on to a rookie QB and there won't be as much pressure to win immediately.

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And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He could survive another year or two of Fields’ poor play and then move on, having built up the roster in other areas.

He drafts a QB, he’s got about three years to make it work (unless he gets the Pace treatment of course).


I suppose that illogic could work with a dimwit like George, but even a shallow huckster like Black Ted should realize that the evaluation period for Fields is over. It's time for Poles to declare his intentions: he's either committing to Fields, or he's moving on. Commit and it's time to win. Move on to a rookie QB and there won't be as much pressure to win immediately.


I am in the camp where I have seen enough of Fields to know he is not the answer. I would take my chances with a draft pick that may work out rather than the guy who is still trying to prove he can play QB three years in.

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And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He could survive another year or two of Fields’ poor play and then move on, having built up the roster in other areas.

He drafts a QB, he’s got about three years to make it work (unless he gets the Pace treatment of course).


So he gets 6 years to figure this out? More? Fuck man your comment sucks

Pace got 7 years, 2 QBs and 2 coaches.

They made the playoffs twice in that period.

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And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He could survive another year or two of Fields’ poor play and then move on, having built up the roster in other areas.

He drafts a QB, he’s got about three years to make it work (unless he gets the Pace treatment of course).


I suppose that illogic could work with a dimwit like George, but even a shallow huckster like Black Ted should realize that the evaluation period for Fields is over. It's time for Poles to declare his intentions: he's either committing to Fields, or he's moving on. Commit and it's time to win. Move on to a rookie QB and there won't be as much pressure to win immediately.


I am in the camp where I have seen enough of Fields to know he is not the answer. I would take my chances with a draft pick that may work out rather than the guy who is still trying to prove he can play QB three years in.

I think they’d be insane to pass on Williams if given the opportunity to take him.

I don’t want balck Ted involved in football decisions. White Ted did bad enough to ruin all football decision making for any & all Teds.

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And if he doesn't replace Fields, Poles will be betting his job on him. With a new QB, Poles buys himself some time. He won't have that luxury if he sticks with Fields.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. He could survive another year or two of Fields’ poor play and then move on, having built up the roster in other areas.

He drafts a QB, he’s got about three years to make it work (unless he gets the Pace treatment of course).


I suppose that illogic could work with a dimwit like George, but even a shallow huckster like Black Ted should realize that the evaluation period for Fields is over. It's time for Poles to declare his intentions: he's either committing to Fields, or he's moving on. Commit and it's time to win. Move on to a rookie QB and there won't be as much pressure to win immediately.


I am in the camp where I have seen enough of Fields to know he is not the answer. I would take my chances with a draft pick that may work out rather than the guy who is still trying to prove he can play QB three years in.


Extrapolating that, what could you get for Fields? A 2nd and a 5th?
Would you take Harrison Jr. and Penix (or Nix) in round 1, then take the best center and edge rusher with your 2nds?
That might buy them time. I don't think Bears fans would hate that.


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I think a rookie quarterback would be joining a team that's ready to win.

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Bears could drop out of the top 5 with their pick and conceivably win 2-3 more games.

What do you do? Harrison Jr. and JC Latham? Laiatu Latu? Local guy Jer'Zhan Newton? Trade down and take the best center?

Depends how they win. If those Ws come as a result of Fields (and not despite him), I think they’ll have a hard time moving on. In that scenario I think you’d have to trade out of the Panther pick with somebody desperate for a QB and focus on the lines again.


I am with you regarding focusing on the lines. Do you think Poles is still undecided on Fields?

I think he’d need massive balls to move on if Fields is even average over the next several weeks and I’m not sure he has it in him. Building the lines is a safer play and something he seems comfortable with.

I’d take Williams in a heartbeat but he’s raised enough questions this year on & off field that would make it difficult to bet your livelihood on his success.



Market forecast strongly indicates that still thinking Fields has a chance to be a good NFL starter like you do is a sign of very very low intellect. The time to abandon ship on this sinking stock was week 2.

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Bears could drop out of the top 5 with their pick and conceivably win 2-3 more games.

What do you do? Harrison Jr. and JC Latham? Laiatu Latu? Local guy Jer'Zhan Newton? Trade down and take the best center?

Depends how they win. If those Ws come as a result of Fields (and not despite him), I think they’ll have a hard time moving on. In that scenario I think you’d have to trade out of the Panther pick with somebody desperate for a QB and focus on the lines again.


I am with you regarding focusing on the lines. Do you think Poles is still undecided on Fields?

I think he’d need massive balls to move on if Fields is even average over the next several weeks and I’m not sure he has it in him. Building the lines is a safer play and something he seems comfortable with.

I’d take Williams in a heartbeat but he’s raised enough questions this year on & off field that would make it difficult to bet your livelihood on his success.



Market forecast strongly indicates that still thinking Fields has a chance to be a good NFL starter like you do is a sign of very very low intellect. The time to abandon ship on this sinking stock was week 2.

I’ve long been out on Fields. As the Market, you’re supposed to take all information into account and act accordingly. You’re picking & choosing like a socialist.

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Extrapolating that, what could you get for Fields? A 2nd and a 5th?
Would you take Harrison Jr. and Penix (or Nix) in round 1, then take the best center and edge rusher with your 2nds?
That might buy them time. I don't think Bears fans would hate that.

I don’t like Penix given age and injury history. I don’t like Nix because I think he’ll suck.

If they go QB, it’s got to be with the Panthers pick.

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Extrapolating that, what could you get for Fields? A 2nd and a 5th?
Would you take Harrison Jr. and Penix (or Nix) in round 1, then take the best center and edge rusher with your 2nds?
That might buy them time. I don't think Bears fans would hate that.

I don’t like Penix given age and injury history. I don’t like Nix because I think he’ll suck.

If they go QB, it’s got to be with the Panthers pick.

Most QBs are 21 or 22 when they get drafted. I don't think Penix being a few weeks from turning 24 is that big of a deal.

The injury concerns are valid though but without them he'd probably be #2 overall.

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Extrapolating that, what could you get for Fields? A 2nd and a 5th?
Would you take Harrison Jr. and Penix (or Nix) in round 1, then take the best center and edge rusher with your 2nds?
That might buy them time. I don't think Bears fans would hate that.

I don’t like Penix given age and injury history. I don’t like Nix because I think he’ll suck.

If they go QB, it’s got to be with the Panthers pick.


I'm starting to lean towards taking Harrison first. Maybe trade down to 2 or 3 if you get the first pick.. I like Maye, but believe Harrison is the only sure thing at the top of this draft.

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Encouraged by the improving play of some of the young guys on D, Dexter and the DBs are looking like solid long time contributors.

Fields continues to be incredibly inconsistent, misses easy wide open guys, turns the ball over regularly, and continues to strangely hold the ball because he cannot read the defense. He is hesitant to run the ball, and cannot fathom open zones in zone coverage, so he twirls and pirouettes around like an ice dancer until something bad happens. Bagent likely puts up at least 6 more points in that game because he would stick with run calls and avoid turnovers.

Fields and Caleb Wiliams have nearly the exact same body language and reactions, piss poor leaders who pout when they make mistakes, will not win anything with them unless you surround them with veteran leaders.



Bullshit about Fields. He rallied his team to a winning fg with the clock running down. Did you see that hit he took on the 2nd fumble? He was trying his best to get to that first down marker and got hit hard from behind. Its not like he choked or made a bad pass. How about the damned play calling that puts the Bears in a hole all of the time?

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How about the damned play calling that puts the Bears in a hole all of the time?

You mean the play calling that had to play to Fields strength of only passing 1 yard past the line of scrimmage?

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The 4th quarter pass to Moore that led to the winning field goal may have solidified keeping Fields in Chicago. I'd said before, he doesn't have to be Patrick Mahomes, just be good and the rest will tke care of itself.

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Clawmaster wrote:
Encouraged by the improving play of some of the young guys on D, Dexter and the DBs are looking like solid long time contributors.

Fields continues to be incredibly inconsistent, misses easy wide open guys, turns the ball over regularly, and continues to strangely hold the ball because he cannot read the defense. He is hesitant to run the ball, and cannot fathom open zones in zone coverage, so he twirls and pirouettes around like an ice dancer until something bad happens. Bagent likely puts up at least 6 more points in that game because he would stick with run calls and avoid turnovers.

Fields and Caleb Wiliams have nearly the exact same body language and reactions, piss poor leaders who pout when they make mistakes, will not win anything with them unless you surround them with veteran leaders.



Bullshit about Fields. He rallied his team to a winning fg with the clock running down. Did you see that hit he took on the 2nd fumble? He was trying his best to get to that first down marker and got hit hard from behind. Its not like he choked or made a bad pass. How about the damned play calling that puts the Bears in a hole all of the time?

35 fumbles in 34 games is unacceptable even if you're Tom Brady. He's a fumbly fumblebum.


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The Hawk wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
Encouraged by the improving play of some of the young guys on D, Dexter and the DBs are looking like solid long time contributors.

Fields continues to be incredibly inconsistent, misses easy wide open guys, turns the ball over regularly, and continues to strangely hold the ball because he cannot read the defense. He is hesitant to run the ball, and cannot fathom open zones in zone coverage, so he twirls and pirouettes around like an ice dancer until something bad happens. Bagent likely puts up at least 6 more points in that game because he would stick with run calls and avoid turnovers.

Fields and Caleb Wiliams have nearly the exact same body language and reactions, piss poor leaders who pout when they make mistakes, will not win anything with them unless you surround them with veteran leaders.



Bullshit about Fields. He rallied his team to a winning fg with the clock running down. Did you see that hit he took on the 2nd fumble? He was trying his best to get to that first down marker and got hit hard from behind. Its not like he choked or made a bad pass. How about the damned play calling that puts the Bears in a hole all of the time?

35 fumbles in 34 games is unacceptable even if you're Tom Brady. He's a fumbly fumblebum.

He has more career fumbles that Neal Anderson, who played 3x as many games.

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