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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

They just need to demonstrate a tangible benefit to taxpayers.

1) 20 Beyonce concerts
2) Women's Final four, which has to this point been held in arenas, not stadiums. You don't...hate...women...do you?
3) the Bears won in 1985

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

They just need to demonstrate a tangible benefit to taxpayers.

1) 20 Beyonce concerts
2) Women's Final four, which has to this point been held in arenas, not stadiums. You don't...hate...women...do you?
3) the Bears won in 1985


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I think the reality is that McCaskey Heights and a taxpayer palace on the lakefront are both non-viable for different reasons and the Bears will need to compromise heavily.

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Ten years from now they will still be playing in Solider Field with minor upgrades. Book it.


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Funny how many so-called fiscal conservatives can't stop honking off to the idea of public subsidies for a stadium.

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This Arlington Heights thing is going to get done. I think they're going to have to sell a minority stake in the team to a buyer that has some land development acumen. They will then partner with that buyer to make the Bears Disneyland that they originally planned.

Still can't handle the traffic.


Soldier Field hasn't been able to handle the traffic for decades. I don't think they care.


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Ten years from now they will still be playing in Solider Field with minor upgrades. Book it.
There would be nothing wrong with this. Soliders Field- and Guaranteed Rate- are by no means obsolete.

If Jerry or Ginny want to put up 80% for a new stadium, cool then the Gov't can work with it. If not they both have a taxpayer funded home that is more than suitable for another 30 years.

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Ten years from now they will still be playing in Solider Field with minor upgrades. Book it.

I think you’re half right.

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I appreciate Ginny is immortal but this seems less a Bear problem than a McCaskey problem.

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Ten years from now

You'll see no blacks at all.

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You'll see no blacks at all.
:lol: :lol: We need a George Ofman report here.

The Chicago Bears met with top Illinois government aides about their new stadium plans
which Governor Pritzker squashed Kevin Warren...

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In Springfield, the Bears met with the Bears today to discuss a replacement for Wrigley Field that experts believe could cost at least up to 46 billion dollars.

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more likely to attend a football game virtually sitting on your couch at home than
in person in any stadium 10-20 years out.

physical stadiums are expensive and have limits to the number of tickets you can sell to an individual game.

70,000 * 400$ a ticket.

vs

2 million+ * $50? $100? $200? a virtual seat.

vendor deals tied into the franchise cut with Amazon and Uber Eats etc to sell food/jerseys/etc during games to folks in their homes.

as soon as someone figures out how to do full room VR without the stupid headsets.


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In Springfield, the Bears met with the Bears today to discuss a replacement for Wrigley Field that experts believe could cost at least up to 46 billion dollars.
Huge deal with below employing pricing!

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I think the reality is that McCaskey Heights and a taxpayer palace on the lakefront are both non-viable for different reasons and the Bears will need to compromise heavily.


Agreed.

How can you be quibbling over a couple of million a year in property taxes Kevin Warren, while offering $2B and not building your own place.

How stupid are you and Mayor Johnson willing to look over this?

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I think the reality is that McCaskey Heights and a taxpayer palace on the lakefront are both non-viable for different reasons and the Bears will need to compromise heavily.


Agreed.

How can you be quibbling over a couple of million a year in property taxes Kevin Warren, while offering $2B and not building your own place.

How stupid are you and Mayor Johnson willing to look over this?


Kevin Warren sees this as publicity and all publicity is good publicity to him. I'm convinced he talked the McCaskeys out of their original Arlington Heights plan and didn't really understand that the original Soldier Field renovation was going to prevent almost anything short of the Bears paying the full cost of the new stadium by the lake. Asking to refinance the original stadium bonds for 40 more years at worse rates is unconscionable. Johnson just misread the whole situation, not surprising.


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SHOW YOUR SUPPORT!!!!

https://act.chicagobears.com/lp/f62b8f/#msdynttrid=iDiQZGWwEc_XiLQy_jVnrlrJcbIn0PoT9CZfOj0oU9Y

A FUN NOTE, you can completely edit the note to change it to read you DONT support the stadium... too bad you probably cant edit the subject heading


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I’m writing to express my support for the Chicago Bears stadium and Burham Park revitalization project.

Geniuses put a typo in the form letter

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Geniuses put a typo in the form letter

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Geniuses put a typo in the form letter

:lol: clowns


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the lakefront stadium will only hold 70k? besides appearance isnt one of the top issues the bears have with soldier field is the 62.5k seating capacity? they are poised to repeat that mistake?


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I thought it was still somewhere in the mid-60s. Maybe it's expandable to 70s for Super Bowls (lol plural) but I thought they were aiming for 65,000, which I believe was the capacity of the old Soldier Field. I don't think the current capacity keeps the Bears up at night, though. Seats are scarce and, in theory, it keeps out the poors who are of little interest to The Chicago Bears Presented By Chase Bank.

Lambeau's expansion to 80,000+ is the exception in NFL stadium trends, which are getting smaller as the league gets more popular. The new Buffalo stadium is just barely over 60k if that, and Washington tears out more seats every year.

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I thought it was still somewhere in the mid-60s. Maybe it's expandable to 70s for Super Bowls (lol plural) but I thought they were aiming for 65,000, which I believe was the capacity of the old Soldier Field. I don't think the current capacity keeps the Bears up at night, though. Seats are scarce and, in theory, it keeps out the poors who are of little interest to The Chicago Bears Presented By Chase Bank.

Lambeau's expansion to 80,000+ is the exception in NFL stadium trends, which are getting smaller as the league gets more popular. The new Buffalo stadium is just barely over 60k if that, and Washington tears out more seats every year.


The McCaskeys have no source of income other than the Bears. I would think they'd try to squeeze every last nickel out of the team that they can.

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Luxury suites, premium seating and the new field-level suite experience generate more revenue per sq foot than plebe seats.

At this point, non-suite/non-premium seating for ambiance and throwing a bone to regular fans.

Suites sell no matter how the team is doing and they sell out years ahead of time on long-term deals with the buyers. Although the highest revenue generators are apparently the limited number
of per game suites the teams set aside for groups to pay for one-off and not have to invest in a full season suite.

Plus the chance to up-sell folks in suites is much greater than to Joe Six-Pack squished elbow to elbow in his individual 22 inches of seating space.


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Yeah, nosebleed seats cost the most money to build and generate the least revenue, hence Long Island's arena topping out right around 17,000 when the market could theoretically bear more.

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Luxury suites, premium seating and the new field-level suite experience generate more revenue per sq foot than plebe seats.

At this point, non-suite/non-premium seating for ambiance and throwing a bone to regular fans.

Suites sell no matter how the team is doing and they sell out years ahead of time on long-term deals with the buyers. Although the highest revenue generators are apparently the limited number
of per game suites the teams set aside for groups to pay for one-off and not have to invest in a full season suite.

Plus the chance to up-sell folks in suites is much greater than to Joe Six-Pack squished elbow to elbow in his individual 22 inches of seating space.


Why wouldn't they plan for both a greater seating capacity and more suites?

Isn't that what Jerry Jones did when he built his stadium?

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Why wouldn't they plan for both a greater seating capacity and more suites?

They can't even afford what they're pitching now.

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Hussra wrote:
Luxury suites, premium seating and the new field-level suite experience generate more revenue per sq foot than plebe seats.

At this point, non-suite/non-premium seating for ambiance and throwing a bone to regular fans.

Suites sell no matter how the team is doing and they sell out years ahead of time on long-term deals with the buyers. Although the highest revenue generators are apparently the limited number
of per game suites the teams set aside for groups to pay for one-off and not have to invest in a full season suite.

Plus the chance to up-sell folks in suites is much greater than to Joe Six-Pack squished elbow to elbow in his individual 22 inches of seating space.


Why wouldn't they plan for both a greater seating capacity and more suites?

Isn't that what Jerry Jones did when he built his stadium?

Yep and he is printing money, it just takes intelligence. Oh wait….

Fuck look at Packerland!!!

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the real problem is lack of off season events to generate enough revenue to justify the larger stadium. its weird, but football is king. but 8 games isnt enough to pay for the whole year and taylor swift isnt going to hold residency here.

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