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| Author: | Spaulding [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: Why should different crimes have different punishments? Crime is crime. Why would it not? We all make these allowances and judgement everyday in life. Do you make these statements or pose these questions from a place of honesty, arrogance, smarminess, or something else altogether? |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Allowances? Judgment? That doesn't sound like punishment at all! |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: Allowances? Judgment? That doesn't sound like punishment at all! Huh? |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Maybe you can help me make sense as to why there should besliding scale when it comes to punishing misbehavior. I'm just not getting it. My system is infinitely easier. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: Maybe you can help me make sense as to why there should besliding scale when it comes to punishing misbehavior. I'm just not getting it. My system is infinitely easier. Why do you do this kind of thing? Do you think you are proving a point that we aren't aware of, being intellectual, entertainment, or something else? I don't get it. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Spaulding wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Maybe you can help me make sense as to why there should besliding scale when it comes to punishing misbehavior. I'm just not getting it. My system is infinitely easier. Why do you do this kind of thing? Do you think you are proving a point that we aren't aware of, being intellectual, entertainment, or something else? I don't get it. It's art. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Art, Art blew a fart and blew the whole damn thing apart. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Spaulding wrote: Art, Art blew a fart and blew the whole damn thing apart. Gene Gene made a machine And Joe Joe made it go |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Haven't really heard one compelling argument in favor of the death penalty save my own. It's 100% logically consistent. So there. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: Haven't really heard one compelling argument in favor of the death penalty save my own. It's 100% logically consistent. So there. The Mormons used to call it "blood atonement," that the only way you could go to heaven after the most enormous crimes was to sacrifice your own life by spilling your blood onto the earth. That's why Utah insisted on firing squads for so long instead of the gas chamber or the chair -- they had to spill that blood. Kinda spooky, but at least they let people into heaven in the end, right? |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Is that because you are smarter than everybody else? Why are you for it? And when should it be applied? |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Curious Hair wrote: The Mormons used to call it "blood atonement," that the only way you could go to heaven after the most enormous crimes was to sacrifice your own life by spilling your blood onto the earth. That's why Utah insisted on firing squads for so long instead of the gas chamber or the chair -- they had to spill that blood. Kinda spooky, but at least they let people into heaven in the end, right? Who really knows who gets in? |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Spaulding wrote: Curious Hair wrote: The Mormons used to call it "blood atonement," that the only way you could go to heaven after the most enormous crimes was to sacrifice your own life by spilling your blood onto the earth. That's why Utah insisted on firing squads for so long instead of the gas chamber or the chair -- they had to spill that blood. Kinda spooky, but at least they let people into heaven in the end, right? Who really knows who gets in? Me. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Spaulding wrote: Curious Hair wrote: The Mormons used to call it "blood atonement," that the only way you could go to heaven after the most enormous crimes was to sacrifice your own life by spilling your blood onto the earth. That's why Utah insisted on firing squads for so long instead of the gas chamber or the chair -- they had to spill that blood. Kinda spooky, but at least they let people into heaven in the end, right? Who really knows who gets in? I don't, but it's an interesting contrast to what the rest of us would think, which is that if there's a hell, people who get the death sentence are going there. Thing of it is, Mormons believe pretty much everyone is in to one extent or another, it's just a matter of how good it is. If you're shitty, heaven is a Courtyard. If you're good, you get upgraded to a regular Marriott. If you're really good, they put you up in the J.W. Marriott. It's truly America's Religion. You owe it to yourself to enjoy expanded amenities in death. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
You know quite a bit of shit. I like it. My husband has points, I have nothing. I bet I have to rewalk the earth again. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Spaulding wrote: Is that because you are smarter than everybody else? Why are you for it? And when should it be applied? I am not smarter than everyone else. My system is quite simple. All crimes carry the death penalty. This serves two functions: the punishment of past bad behavior, and the deterrence of future bad behavior. Why inject needless complications into things? You can bet your life that if the penalty for littering was death that our streets and sidewalks would be pristine. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: I am not smarter than everyone else. My system is quite simple. All crimes carry the death penalty. This serves two functions: the punishment of past bad behavior, and the deterrence of future bad behavior. Why inject needless complications into things? You can bet your life that if the penalty for littering was death that our streets and sidewalks would be pristine. sure but it's weird. Nobody can or should live life like that and to argue they should is a little bizarre. Nothing is simple and I'm not sure it should be. Why do you think it should be? |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
All im saying is that Jonathan Swift had some good ideas. We just need to put them into practice. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: I imagine most people on death row would prefer the vengeance of being locked in a cell vs actually killed. Shocking I know, but I don't think prison is vengeance in the same way the death penalty is. Doesn't this comment go against the idea that the death penalty isn't a deterrent if it is preferable to criminals over the otherwise worst case sentencing scenario? Ultimately though, the arguments you are making for the death penalty are just as valid for long prison sentences. Make the argument that you can't "undo" a wrongful death sentence that is carried out. Make the argument that it is cruel and unusual punishment. Make the best argument that exists that it is more expensive than locking them in a cell forever. It's just not a good argument to say that criminals don't fear the death penalty unless you are also saying they don't fear long prison sentences and therefore long prison sentences don't do any good in being a deterrent. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
What's the purpose of imprisoning someone as opposed to killing them? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: What's the purpose of imprisoning someone as opposed to killing them? I believe the answer would be the idea of rehabilitation but that does kind of go out the window for long prison sentences where you are basically are hoping they are too old to commit crimes or you never let them out. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: What's the purpose of imprisoning someone as opposed to killing them? Twofold: i) employment opportunities for weak kneed jailers who lack the will to execute all criminals and ii) membership drives for the NoI and Aryan Brotherhood. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: What's the purpose of imprisoning someone as opposed to killing them? Killing them is more satisfying....because of the vengeance. But I s'pose we could pretend it isn't. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Nardi wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: What's the purpose of imprisoning someone as opposed to killing them? Killing them is more satisfying....because of the vengeance. But I s'pose we could pretend it isn't. Why kill them? There are plenty of more satisfying ways to punish someone if vengeance is the goal. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: Nardi wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: What's the purpose of imprisoning someone as opposed to killing them? Killing them is more satisfying....because of the vengeance. But I s'pose we could pretend it isn't. Why kill them? There are plenty of more satisfying ways to punish someone if vengeance is the goal. There are not. What's in the box? |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Sure there are. Why put someone to sleep when you can have them eaten alive by rats? Charge two bits a head on top of that. There's money to be made! |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: Sure there are. Why put someone to sleep when you can have them eaten alive by rats? Charge two bits a head on top of that. There's money to be made! Oh, I see. Torture. you haven't said anything close to that until now. Not many will pay to see torture. you seem to be clueless about the human condition or else willfully ignorant. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Nardi wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Sure there are. Why put someone to sleep when you can have them eaten alive by rats? Charge two bits a head on top of that. There's money to be made! Oh, I see. Torture. you haven't said anything close to that until now. Not many will pay to see torture. you seem to be clueless about the human condition or else willfully ignorant. I thought you wanted vengeance? Surely torturing someone to death provides a greater degree of retribution than putting someone to sleep. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
SpiralStairs wrote: Nardi wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Sure there are. Why put someone to sleep when you can have them eaten alive by rats? Charge two bits a head on top of that. There's money to be made! Oh, I see. Torture. you haven't said anything close to that until now. Not many will pay to see torture. you seem to be clueless about the human condition or else willfully ignorant. I thought you wanted vengeance? Surely torturing someone to death provides a greater degree of retribution than putting someone to sleep. See previous post. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarence Thomas |
Nardi wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Nardi wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Sure there are. Why put someone to sleep when you can have them eaten alive by rats? Charge two bits a head on top of that. There's money to be made! Oh, I see. Torture. you haven't said anything close to that until now. Not many will pay to see torture. you seem to be clueless about the human condition or else willfully ignorant. I thought you wanted vengeance? Surely torturing someone to death provides a greater degree of retribution than putting someone to sleep. See previous post. Torturing someone to death isn't an acceptable form of vengeance, but putting them to sleep is? I don't get it. What's the difference? |
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