Why would it not? We all make these allowances and judgement everyday in life. Do you make these statements or pose these questions from a place of honesty, arrogance, smarminess, or something else altogether?

Allowances? Judgment? That doesn't sound like punishment at all!

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Huh?

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Maybe you can help me make sense as to why there should besliding scale when it comes to punishing misbehavior. I'm just not getting it. My system is infinitely easier.

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Why do you do this kind of thing? Do you think you are proving a point that we aren't aware of, being intellectual, entertainment, or something else? I don't get it.

It's art.

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Art, Art blew a fart and blew the whole damn thing apart.

Gene Gene made a machine
And Joe Joe made it go

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Haven't really heard one compelling argument in favor of the death penalty save my own. It's 100% logically consistent. So there.

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The Mormons used to call it "blood atonement," that the only way you could go to heaven after the most enormous crimes was to sacrifice your own life by spilling your blood onto the earth. That's why Utah insisted on firing squads for so long instead of the gas chamber or the chair -- they had to spill that blood. Kinda spooky, but at least they let people into heaven in the end, right?

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Is that because you are smarter than everybody else?

Why are you for it? And when should it be applied?

Who really knows who gets in?

Me.

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I don't, but it's an interesting contrast to what the rest of us would think, which is that if there's a hell, people who get the death sentence are going there. Thing of it is, Mormons believe pretty much everyone is in to one extent or another, it's just a matter of how good it is. If you're shitty, heaven is a Courtyard. If you're good, you get upgraded to a regular Marriott. If you're really good, they put you up in the J.W. Marriott. It's truly America's Religion. You owe it to yourself to enjoy expanded amenities in death.

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You know quite a bit of shit. I like it.

My husband has points, I have nothing. I bet I have to rewalk the earth again.

I am not smarter than everyone else. My system is quite simple. All crimes carry the death penalty. This serves two functions: the punishment of past bad behavior, and the deterrence of future bad behavior. Why inject needless complications into things?

You can bet your life that if the penalty for littering was death that our streets and sidewalks would be pristine.

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sure but it's weird. Nobody can or should live life like that and to argue they should is a little bizarre. Nothing is simple and I'm not sure it should be. Why do you think it should be?

All im saying is that Jonathan Swift had some good ideas. We just need to put them into practice.

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Doesn't this comment go against the idea that the death penalty isn't a deterrent if it is preferable to criminals over the otherwise worst case sentencing scenario?

Ultimately though, the arguments you are making for the death penalty are just as valid for long prison sentences.

Make the argument that you can't "undo" a wrongful death sentence that is carried out. Make the argument that it is cruel and unusual punishment. Make the best argument that exists that it is more expensive than locking them in a cell forever.

It's just not a good argument to say that criminals don't fear the death penalty unless you are also saying they don't fear long prison sentences and therefore long prison sentences don't do any good in being a deterrent.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

What's the purpose of imprisoning someone as opposed to killing them?

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I believe the answer would be the idea of rehabilitation but that does kind of go out the window for long prison sentences where you are basically are hoping they are too old to commit crimes or you never let them out.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Twofold: i) employment opportunities for weak kneed jailers who lack the will to execute all criminals and ii) membership drives for the NoI and Aryan Brotherhood.

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Killing them is more satisfying....because of the vengeance. But I s'pose we could pretend it isn't.

Why kill them? There are plenty of more satisfying ways to punish someone if vengeance is the goal.

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There are not. What's in the box?

Sure there are. Why put someone to sleep when you can have them eaten alive by rats? Charge two bits a head on top of that. There's money to be made!

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Oh, I see. Torture. you haven't said anything close to that until now. Not many will pay to see torture. you seem to be clueless about the human condition or else willfully ignorant.

I thought you wanted vengeance? Surely torturing someone to death provides a greater degree of retribution than putting someone to sleep.

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See previous post.

Torturing someone to death isn't an acceptable form of vengeance, but putting them to sleep is? I don't get it. What's the difference?

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