Have you been following the story? The law is either going to be repealed or clarified to the SJW's liking. They will have no reason to protest, once that happens. I believe Pence said he wants it on his desk by Friday.


Also, I dont think Salesforce is backing off


"We see the governor saying he’s going to make changes. Now the next step is we want to see him actually make them," Benioff told us. "We’re not going to stop until the new law is done."



Its like you just wrote what you hoped would happen

they aren't now. of course not. but give it time. remember chick fil a? we had gobs of employees warble garble about NEVER EATING THERE AGAIN....its in our office at least 3 times a week. and thats just for a chicken sandwhich. don't underestimate the fickleness of the American populous.

and for the record, i think the law is stupid and will/should be changed. and i think indiana is lame. the state is about 10 years behind the times in almost all things. I'm in the tech world. we sell mostly to school districts. 75% of indiana schools still use novell to manage their networks and still have vast citrix infrastructures. those dopes are doomed to face whatever mass crap they get. I just think it will go away sooner than anyone thinks even if they don’t change it.

But they are changing it, so it's a moot point.




I understand that Americans can be fickle and SJW's go overboard but this situation actually mattered and they were right.

This isn't really a SJW issue though.

My guess is most of the population is against this.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yeah, we're not talking about "microaggressions" here. "I won't do business with you because you're gay" is a regular aggression.

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especially in the world of prostitution!

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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Insisting that you're not going to shop someplace until the owner "proves" that they're not anti-gay (or anti-anything) is shallow, disingenuous grandstanding and, quite frankly, insulting.

First of all, just because someone displays the sticker doesn't mean they're anti-gay. It could very well mean that they simply want your money. The stickers are meaningless.

Second, don't assume that people are for or against something simply because they don't feel the need to tell everyone. Will customers have to "prove" that they're not anti-gay in order to shop at store displaying a sticker that says "We Serve Everyone"?

It's a reaction to a far more insulting proposition (the law)


No, because customers don't need the business. It's the other way around.

And because of what Indiana is trying to do, even being willing to put up a sign saying you serve everyone (even if it's grandstanding) is a big deal to many LGBT folks.

This is the free market at work.

It's competition. Some businesses are putting the signs up because they want customers. Others dont want to put the sign up. Both will deal with any effect on business those decisions might have.


But people are free to go where they want. I think we all agree on that. Indiana has made a law that made some businesses feel like they had to advertise that they are open to everyone.

I just dont understand why that would bother anyone. Maybe it's grandstanding in many cases but who cares? I cant imagine being insulted or saying FUCK YOU to it.

i hadn't paid enough attention in the last 24 hours in that regards... i just don't care that much, i just don't think this is really that big of a deal and just like i don't think its that big of a deal, there is a whole host of others who are drawing up extremes that this will really have that large of an effect. survival of the fittest business wise. i don't have a problem with businesses picking and choosing who can buy from them. in my short time in the business world, those businesses fall by the wayside. but i'm a priviledged white male so i have no real dog in the fight.

But that's the next step, isn't it? First people say they won't shop at a store if the owner doesn't think the way they think. Then businesses can prove how noble and righteous they are by declaring they won't sell their product to people who don't think the way they think. #don'tneedabigot'sbusiness

I'm not a proponent of the law, and if I were a small business owner I would likely put the sticker in the window and get on with things, but the implication that I think this or that and people will no longer patronize my store because I don't make some disingenuous display is very thought-police-y to me.

I don't see what the big deal is...some people choose investments based on a company's social responsibility; others on pure profit potential. Similarly, some choose to shop at Target instead of Walmart and pay more because of a perception (not saying it's real) that the company has values more to their liking. What exactly do you propose to do to avoid this? Businesses are free to advertise their social values as they see fit; should the government be stepping in to prohibit the use of the sign? Or are you saying an individual shopper shouldn't base his or her purchasing decisions on a company's social responsibility? People choose all the time to shop at a restaurant based on their perception of the company's approach to sustainability. Should that be outlawed too?

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Look over there! A dry ice factory. A good place to get some thinking done.
Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

For me the sign seems simplistic and hollow. Similar to how some felt gilted into flag lapel pins after 9/11.

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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

If people want to choose where they shop based on a company's business practices or the values they've chosen to make public, that's fine.

My main point is where does this particular situation stop? Do people need know how a business owner feels about religious, social, or political issues they heretofore had no intention of making public? Will religious and political affiliations have to be displayed in store windows so potential customers can determine if they think the "right" things or worship the "right" God?

This sums it up for me. I don't like forcing someone to feel the need to post a sign.

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Before you know it storefronts will look like a cause/stance nascar car.

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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

But nobody is forcing this action. It's the business owners themselves choosing to put up the sign because they think it will help their business. Assuming but not deciding that the signs will have an overall harmful effect, how would you propose to stop it?

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Look over there! A dry ice factory. A good place to get some thinking done.
Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

They aren't forced to do it. The free market can decide if they want to shop at places that aren't willing to say they will serve gay people.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Lots of free market people here are against the free market.

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brick you know though that if someone wants final four business they need to have it. So it is forced in that sense. There isn't much option for the non discriminator that wants people to just mind their own business

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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

If they are a non discriminator why would they care about a sticker?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I guess Im just not terribly bothered by grandstanding when the issue has merit. I understand some of it is holllow but that doesnt change the issue.

And no, I dont think that next step is possible for most businesses.


I think the signs are just like any other signs meant to help business. I understand the resistance to business owners HAVING to put the stickers up, but that does not fall on shoppers, it's on Mike Pence and the legislators. These signs werent necessary a few weeks ago.

Some don't like to advertise their views. Any views whatsoever.

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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

That is fine but some people may not shop there then.

Both are making choices.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

But Mike isnt it a little contradictory to say owners want custoemrs to mind their own business


Mind your own business, but financially support MINE!


I mean, I get where you're coming from, but the customer is king for the most part. Its not an equal relationship.

I'm not against the free market per se. I'm frustrated that business owners will not feel "free" to not post a sign (without possibly losing business). A sign that should be unnecessary. It's as if the default opinion of business owners became "bigot" and the burden shifted to them to prove they aren't.

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That's a good question, but I don't know. I don't know how to prevent people from getting caught up in a panic and preventing them from assuming people are, essentially, guilty until proven innocent.

I think I just heard a caller on B&B that also was on Goff and Hub. He is trying to say this is the same as a black owner being able to not make a cake for a KKK rally.

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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

No one said that except you.

Did I miss the response where someone said that Jesus would officiate at a gay marriage?

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Micah Clark
RPB has posted a scientific study that clearly stated that homosexuality is a treatable disorder.

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