Jews are starting to leave the democratic party as its only been recently that the party has shown its hatred for Israel. My parents both voted Trump after voting democrat in previous elections.

How was your bacon and egg bagel this morning?

Every Jew I met has a strong emotional connection to Israel. It is quite admirable.

Ain't we paying for some of their weapons? Or didn't we, at one point?

Wait, you think Judaism is LESS fantastical than Christianity?

They're based on the same mythology/folk tales. They are both equally fantastic.

Judaism is based in the mythology. Christianity is informed by it. From your perspective Christianity is based in a different mythology.

Every Jew I met has a strong emotional connection to Israel. It is quite admirable.

They do not. But they'll tell you they do.

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Of course it's crazy. But one can support the idea that a group of people who have been run out of every country where they've ever lived (and that group ain't Muslims) should be able to maintain a small slice of land in a desert where they made all the improvements without bringing fantasy into it.

They do not. But they'll tell you they do.

That's a big mistake in life.

Yeah, I mean the part about the guy who gave the religion its name.

I do agree with IMU in part that if you are not a religious Jew you do not share in the full vision of Israel.

Well, the guy's name was actually Jesus of Nazareth. I'm pretty sure "Christ" comes from the ancient Greek word that means "anointed".

Seacrest, why do I have to explain this? What do they teach these guys at those Jesuit schools?

That's certainly true if you're basing things on some ancient religious texts, but you're touching on the exact difference between Muslims and followers of the other two Abrahamic religions, particularly Judaism which- aside from a handful of nutjobs trying to do a rough rebuild of the Temple Mount and building villages because they believe land was deeded to them by G_d- has become largely secular and cultural rather than truly religious. There are many Jewish atheists. The concept of a "Muslim atheist" cannot and will not exist.

There are many Jewish atheists.

Wrong, the guy's name was actually Joshua bar Joseph. I guessed you missed that in shop class at Tech.

I do agree with IMU in part that if you are not a religious Jew you do not share in the full vision of Israel.

if I'm basing things? You think Israel was founded in secularism?

what does that even mean, the full vision of Israel? And who are you to decide what that is and which Jews qualify?

You're coming off a little full genius as well.


Fact is you (and IMU) have no clue how Jews feel about Israel.

if I'm basing things? You think Israel was founded in secularism?

I think that's a more complicated question than you believe. I certainly don't think it was founded in devoutness. It was mainly founded because Hitler had failed at wiping out Jews in Europe and Arabs were forcing them into dhimmitude in the Middle East.

I don't profess to know but I pose the same question I did to Joe, do you think Israel was founded in secularism?

actually, yes it was founded in secularism.

David Ben Gurion, the 1st PM of Israel? Atheist.
Heck, 4 of Israel's 13 PMs have been atheists. Have we had even 1 atheist US President?

Lincoln was (at least an agnostic)

Is Zionism an ethnic or religious movement? Seems to be both.