damn

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

2005!

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Hey, I'm not the one who said 'I'm done, but I'll still go to games.'

"Mr Reinsdorf" loovvves the fact that you will still be giving him money.

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This spin from the white sox is infuriating. It wasn't a matter of "aw schucks, what are you going to do? He chose somewhere else." HE WANTED TO COME TO THE SOX. Sox management rejected him.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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Agreed. Kenny and Hahn's comments since the signing just exacerbate the anger tenfold.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

If he really wanted to come to the Sox, he would have signed here weeks ago. You guys are only fucking with yourselves at this point.

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Why would he sign for $50 million less guaranteed?

I'm not sure why you are going all Frank Levine in the defense of Jerry, Kenny, and Hahn when it's clear they fucked this up badly. It would be easier to take you more seriously on this if you didn't do an immediate 180 once it was announced the Sox weren't signing Manny.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I thought I read he gave the Sox a chance to match, didn't he?

I have no idea. Nobody does at this point.

gd said that Manny wanted to play here. If that was true, then why didn't he sign with the Sox weeks ago?

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He did. He gave the Sox every opportunity to win this thing. They chose to lose.

Frank is going to hold up a home made sign on opening day saying "Hooray, Fiscal Responsibility!"

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Are you seriously off your rocker?

He wanted to play for the Yankees even more. Why didn't he sign with them?

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Why didn't the Yankees think he was worth $300 million/10 years?

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Because up until Sunday, the only team offering more money was the White Sox.

You are the one that said you are going to Sox games, so I'll give you the banner to waive from the cheap seats. I went to one game last year, and I'm not sure I'll even get to that MANY this year.

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Because they have great players at both positions Manny plays?

Hahn was on with Kap today and said on a Monday they ( including Jerry) had a meeting with Machados agent where the nuts were placed on the table. Then the Sox has their own meeting and came back a few hours later with an “ improved “ offer . So they did have a chance at the 11th hour to seal the deal. Again, I personally wouldn’t give that much guaranteed money to anyone for that kind of length BUT if that’s the guy you targeted and wanted , you HAVE to get him . That’s on Jerry .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

They were hampered by other considerations that did not concern the Sox. Just because they didn't buy him at $300 million doesn't mean they didn't think he was worth it.

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Sounds like you answered good dolphin's question for me!

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Agreed, no one wants to come to the Sox.

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You asked why Manny didn't sign with the Yankees. Sounds like "other considerations" is why.

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Mine is a rhetorical question to Frank who asked why Manny didn't sign with the White Sox as he doesn't seem to think money should be an issue.

Manny didn't sign with the Yankees because they made a low offer (despite his desire to play for them). The Yankees didn't make a huge offer because of other considerations, including overstepping the salary cap.

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So do the Yankees have a "cheap ass owner?"

And there is salary cap in MLB.

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Money is clearly an issue for a team that has half the attendance of the Yankees.

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Do you believe $5 million dollars each year is the difference between a money issue and no money issues for the team?

A $30 million contract next year would have put the Sox at a $110 million payroll, good for 19th place in MLB.

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I think you're missing the point. Not sure if its on purpose or not though.

The luxury tax threshold is a de facto salary cap and is often referred to as a soft salary cap in the industry.

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The Yankees and White Sox are not on equal footing and their need for a guy like Manny is very different.

It's cool, more TIMMY!

I think it seemed more about the risk of the contract going badly with no relief until nearly 2030 and how that would effect not only the team but also a potential sale of the team.

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Christ, this pisses me off more than anything.

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I don't even want to consider the last part of your statement. It would make me even angrier.

One of the great parts of a rebuild is cheap talent controlled for half a decade. Risk was minimal. The ability to mitigate against the risk and still field a competitive team is high.

but in direct contradiction to your point, they already had an offer to him for more than $30 million per year. They didn't see the AAV as prohibitively risky for 8 years. Why was it risky at 10?

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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