Exactly. But on the other side of the coin, if you emigrate you should respect the culture of the place you've come to. If you don't, why did you come? If it's simply for economic reasons, maybe you're not the immigrant we want. If we don't have shared values, we don't really have a country.

People told us that in Montana but it was people moving to Montana to get away from their California or east coast problems but they brought their problems with them and complained they weren't back home.

Here's the thing though- everyone is anti-immigration if we break it down far enough.

Not true

Of course it's true. Pretend your house is a country. Are you going to allow a refugee to live with you? It's just like people who complain about tribalism. Everyone is tribal. You care more about your brother than you do about some guy you don't know. Caring about someone who lives next door more than you care about someone in Zimbabwe is just an extension of that.

I think the following article is a good refutation of the home analogy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... f5d0b64645

But yeah, I would allow a refugee to live with me. I doubt they'd want to

There's also the reality that in today's world, if a country was completely anti-immigration, it would lose out on tons of intellectual capital. I'd prefer that the best minds in the world be welcomed with open arms to work on things like curing cancer or nuclear defense systems. With that, you will get some bad ones too, but that's the cost of doing business.

There's also the reality that in today's world, if a country was completely anti-immigration, it would lose out on tons of intellectual capital. I'd prefer that the best minds in the world be welcomed with open arms to work on things like curing cancer or nuclear defense systems. With that, you will get some bad ones too, but that's the cost of doing business.

I doubt many in the PA hellhole Maddon is from are against all immigration.

They are against the implementation of Hispanic people into their society, it would seem.

I doubt many in the PA hellhole Maddon is from are against all immigration.

Some, I assume, are good people.

Some, I assume, are good people.

Should've nuked the state when Bernstein wanted to.

RIP cory.

I think most people aren't against immigration at all. For myriad reason though they are against illegal immigration. You can argue until the cows come home about who is right, to what degree they are and what is their reasoning. That doesn't really matter though.

The question for me is why is it so impossible for a country (us) to agree to a set of standards/laws for immigration that makes the best sense and then stick to that. The reasons why that cannot happen are the bigger concerns to me.

I don't see many people championing illegal immigration. I could be wrong.

Of course. But there has to be reasons on both sides of the aisle that such a simple matter cannot be resolved. Hint: Some on both sides do not want it resolved totally for different reasons.

I don't see many people championing illegal immigration. I could be wrong.

Are you sure about that? This is an economically depressed coal town that we are talking about here. It's very likely that a majority of the immigrants to the area are illegal immigrants.

I'm not comfortable making those kind of assumptions. IF that were true that still doesn't change my statement.

Why aren't you comfortable with it? Where do you think most illegal immigrants end up? Isn't it in poorer areas?

It does change your statement though. If a majority of these immigrants are illegal then it becomes an issue about illegal immigration.

I don't make assumptions about people based on their race.

It doesn't change my point. Who is going around saying they support illegal immigration?

As with many issues, both "sides" are ridiculous on the immigration debate. MANY libs would openly welcome the leadership of ISIS if it could score them political points, and MANY repubtards think the solution to their lack of work is to become completely protectionist and go back to the dark ages while not allowing anyone into the country.

Neither am I. It is about economics.

This is the problem. The assumption here is that the residents of that town are against legal immigration when there is nothing to indicate as such. Maddon could have made it clear but he did not seem to do so.