Chris returning fire in the intervention was awesome. Maybe his best moment

Whenever this comes up, I always say: yes, that is the conclusion Chase desperately wanted to imply with the cinematography of the last scene of Made in America, that T met a bloody end in front of his family.

My problem is, that ending is not set up AT ALL. Not thematically, not via the narrative nor any sub-plot throughout the whole goddamn series, much less that season, and certainly that episode (Yes, I know Tony and Bobby talk about what it is like to get killed, and Chase pulls from that as foundation for his ending, but those guys were 1) celebrating a mid-life birthday and 2) have killed a lot of people, talk of death is not out of the realm of possibility as idle chit-chat).

Think about it, the crux of that final scene is that Members Only Guy is a New York button-man acting out orders from Phil, despite Phil himself being murdered some number of days previous, and the highest remaining power of the New York family sitting down with Tony and Little Carmine to hash out a truce (very quickly, I might add, intimating that Phil had little support for the war with Tony, and was its sole driving force--we even see this in action in a scene in the middle of the episode, when Phil's consigliere suggests reaching out to Tony to end the war, but is quickly admonished). Are we supposed to believe this lone gunman somehow didn't get the word? Doesn't care about the peace? Or are we supposed to believe that New York will sit down for a truce, then break it in the next couple of days to kill a boss? Bobby is dead and Syl is in a coma, but ostensibly everyone else returned to their normal lives after the sit-down after Phil got killed, and there aren't shootouts in the streets from soldiers on either side who happened to not get word, nor is New York shown in any other scene openly reneging on the deal.

I could STILL swallow the ending as "acceptable" if, at any point in the episode or season, Chase had explored the idea of guys acting on their own to exact justice despite explicit orders not to. Bear in mind, we're not talking about Richie Aprile hounding Beansie after Tony told him to lay off, I'm talking someone taking matters into their own hands and doing something that could re-ignite a war AFTER a tentative peace had been made. We got kinda close to that with Tony B, but the circumstances, from a narrative and thematic sense, were much different.

It's a bad ending not because it isn't supported by the use of cuts and music/SFX cues in the scene, but because it isn't supported by anything done in the series up to that point, and is purely the exercise of a man who had written himself into a corner and decided to use gimmicky cinematography to obfuscate his complete lack of a thorough narrative.

Paulie giving shit to the guy overseeing the intervention was pretty good, too.

Chris returning fire in the intervention was awesome. Maybe his best moment

Whatever, it doesn't matter. The reality is they picked the worst song imaginable to play in the background to the ending of a great show. Making a decision to include Journey as any part of your activities show a complete lack of taste in anything.

No, it's either "She must've crawled under there for warmth" or

"You told me she had a nice ass!"
"I was TRYING to say something POSITIVE 'cause she's your friend."

Ralph said it right before Tony killed him when they were arguing over Ralph killing Pie O My for the insurance. Something like, "All of a sudden you're against killing animals? You eat beef and sausage by the carload!"

Little Carmine was terrible outside of that scene about where he talked about his dream about the empty box.

He's dead. Brilliant Finale.


"It all goes black"
-Bobby

Also, the first line in the Little Feat song that is playing when Tony enters the diner (that we never actually hear) is, "I've been down, but not like this before." This is the third time Tony has been shot. He survived the first two times.

I almost posted again about the first one. All time great druggy excuse.

Seinfeld was the worst ending. This ended the only way it could.

I've actually come around on the Seinfeld ending. Lost is the worst ending ever but the show had obviously been awful long before that point. Season 1 of True Detective was pretty bad too even though I was an apologist for it at the time.

I've actually come around on the Seinfeld ending. Lost is the worst ending ever but the show had obviously been awful long before that point. Season 1 of True Detective was pretty bad too even though I was an apologist for it at the time.

You are the first person I've ever read or heard say the ending for TD s1 wasn't good. I thought it was pretty satisfying. Maybe not on the level as the previous episodes, but still to throw it alongside Lost and the Seinfeld ending... I just don't know. I agree with a lot of your posts, but damn...

No, the Seinfeld finale was a production-order-padding clip show with a flimsy wraparound plot. True Detective had a pretty weird ending that didn't fit right but gets point for looking cool, at least.

Go find the Season 1 thread.

The finale was shit upon pretty heavily.

The Wire ending was perfect. How else was a show like that ever going to end? People are dumb.

Here's where the talk about the finale starts.

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I've been posting here for about 6 years now, and there is one piece of knowledge concerning CFMB I hold higher than anything else. When Shakes agrees with you, that always means you are on the wrong side of history.

I beg to differ, he agreed that Kane was innocent and a victim himself from a greedy gold digging whore when I called it week one.

The Seinfeld finale was pretty lousy, I didn't think True Detective s1 finale was as awful as most but I could see their dissatisfaction. Breaking Bad is how ya end a great show, Gilligan is just a much better writer than anybody else.

Heard a lot of bitching about BB finale.