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Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:23 pm ]
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wdelaney72 wrote:
so we will just agree Pine Barrons one of the best Sopranos episodes. I also really like the episode Tony takes Meadow on College visits.

Whether it was unresolved story lines or not, the show jumped the shark around season 4 and did not end very well. Those first 3 seasons were awesome.



I didn't really like "Pine Barrens". It seemed like it would never end. Probably reminded me too much of my real life- my bonehead partner and me sitting in a car for hours on end.

"College" was a great episode. My favorite though was "Stage 4". The ending is powerful. "No more, Butchie. No more a dis." And then the montage with "Evidently Chickentown." I've seen it twenty times and it still makes the hair stand up on my neck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLrlIpoQfQg

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:11 am ]
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I just finished. Tony is dead for sure. That final scene was great and I knew what was coming.

The only thing I’ll add is that I think Meadow was pregnant and was going to tell them at dinner. She was flustered parking, coming back from the doctor and she looked troubled as she was running across the street to the diner.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:39 pm ]
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Finished re-watching the series, and after watching most of Made in America, I couldn't get through the final scene, I was raging so much at how poorly (read: not at all) Tony's death was set up narratively.

After the sit-down with Butch and the other guys from New York, Tony immediately goes back to living his normal life while on the hunt for Phil. He is shown at Satriale's alone, even sitting outside on the curb unarmed, implying he resumed his normal schedule. He goes to an upscale restaurant in the city with Meadow, and is shown driving his own vehicle without escort all over town.

The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--despite the theme of breaking truces immediately after wars had ended never being picked up anywhere else in the series--and that New York popped Tony in front of his family at a random restaurant decided by his family that day, and not at any of the other spots in Tony's routine?

On top of that, AJ is shown leaving his new job with his new car, so at least a handful of days had to have passed between the scene where AJ is informed of the job opportunity and his depiction juggling scripts and sliding into his new BMW. Counting all the other time that is shown passing after the truce with New York, Tony gets popped at a random location weeks after the accord is cemented and Phil gets it?

Absolutely awful ending. Even just slowly zooming out as Tony stares at the metal statue in Melfi's waiting room would have been better than what Chase gave us.

Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:42 pm ]
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Everyone has the right to be wrong.

Author:  Spaulding [ Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:01 pm ]
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Gandolfini has been dead almost 5 years. I liked the show and him as an actor.

Author:  Darkside [ Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:10 am ]
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Spaulding wrote:
Gandolfini has been dead almost 5 years. I liked the show and him as an actor.

Even tho ge was beefy... was he sexy? Wouldja?

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:35 am ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Finished re-watching the series, and after watching most of Made in America, I couldn't get through the final scene, I was raging so much at how poorly (read: not at all) Tony's death was set up narratively.

After the sit-down with Butch and the other guys from New York, Tony immediately goes back to living his normal life while on the hunt for Phil. He is shown at Satriale's alone, even sitting outside on the curb unarmed, implying he resumed his normal schedule. He goes to an upscale restaurant in the city with Meadow, and is shown driving his own vehicle without escort all over town.

The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--despite the theme of breaking truces immediately after wars had ended never being picked up anywhere else in the series--and that New York popped Tony in front of his family at a random restaurant decided by his family that day, and not at any of the other spots in Tony's routine?

On top of that, AJ is shown leaving his new job with his new car, so at least a handful of days had to have passed between the scene where AJ is informed of the job opportunity and his depiction juggling scripts and sliding into his new BMW. Counting all the other time that is shown passing after the truce with New York, Tony gets popped at a random location weeks after the accord is cemented and Phil gets it?

Absolutely awful ending. Even just slowly zooming out as Tony stares at the metal statue in Melfi's waiting room would have been better than what Chase gave us.


i read an article most recently about the ending as I think it was the 10th year anniversary. Almost everyone agrees it has stood the stand of time.

And the order to kill tony was not from New York. It was personal. It was Gene's wife.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:13 am ]
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HawaiiYou wrote:
Almost everyone agrees it has stood the stand of time.


:D

Author:  Spaulding [ Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:33 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Even tho ge was beefy... was he sexy? Wouldja?


There was something attractive about him. I don't know if I would have or not.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:57 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Little Carmine was terrible outside of that scene about where he talked about his dream about the empty box.

What a terrible post.

He's fuckin hilarious.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:59 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Little Carmine was terrible outside of that scene about where he talked about his dream about the empty box.

What a terrible post.

He's fuckin hilarious.

No way. If anything I’m being generous to him with that post.

Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:01 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Little Carmine was terrible outside of that scene about where he talked about his dream about the empty box.

What a terrible post.

He's fuckin hilarious.



Agreed. Little Carmine might be the best character in the entire show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJggSqCftgA

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:02 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Little Carmine was terrible outside of that scene about where he talked about his dream about the empty box.

What a terrible post.

He's fuckin hilarious.

No way. If anything I’m being generous to him with that post.

The box scene was great and the comedic relief he provided was great.

Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:04 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:06 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

I think you can remove might have from that sentence :lol:

Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:08 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

I think you can remove might have from that sentence :lol:


:lol: Yeah. Maybe it was Coco's nephew working outside the purview of the New York guys. Who knows? Who cares? The point is, he finally died.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:10 pm ]
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Scooter wrote:
However Tony Sporano lives on to coach badly

Not anymore

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:11 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

I think you can remove might have from that sentence :lol:


:lol: Yeah. Maybe it was Coco's nephew working outside the purview of the New York guys. Who knows? Who cares? The point is, he finally died.

It was the guy with the beach house. He mentioned dealing with mob guys all the time.

Tony thought he was real cute with that loud music.

Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:14 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

I think you can remove might have from that sentence :lol:


:lol: Yeah. Maybe it was Coco's nephew working outside the purview of the New York guys. Who knows? Who cares? The point is, he finally died.

It was the guy with the beach house. He mentioned dealing with mob guys all the time.

Tony thought he was real cute with that loud music.


:lol:

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:14 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

I think you can remove might have from that sentence :lol:


:lol: Yeah. Maybe it was Coco's nephew working outside the purview of the New York guys. Who knows? Who cares? The point is, he finally died.
A story driven by characters playing out a narrative over almost a decade's time can have a lackluster narrative finale and response is "who cares? He's dead."

Sorry, I want more/better.

Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:15 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

I think you can remove might have from that sentence :lol:


:lol: Yeah. Maybe it was Coco's nephew working outside the purview of the New York guys. Who knows? Who cares? The point is, he finally died.
A story driven by characters playing out a narrative over almost a decade's time can have a lackluster narrative finale and response is "who cares? He's dead."

Sorry, I want more/better.



I think you're just not understanding the narrative. Does it really matter who killed Tony?

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:20 pm ]
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It was the priest.

Members only guy confessed to some disgusting shit and Father what's his name saw an opportunity to finally use the priesthood for his own gain by blackmailing the guy into murder.

He took out Tony, so he could break his vows with Carmella.

Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:26 pm ]
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I'm just not sure what kind of "closure" people like Juice are looking for. Do they wish Tony would have gotten shot while filling up his car and then gotten his head run over? Chase gave you that with Phil. He gave you all kinds of blood and guts with Bobby and Syl. I don't think you needed to see Tony die or know who killed him.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:28 pm ]
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It was the congressman who Tony beat with a belt for dating his ex-cumare

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:31 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The viewers are supposed to believe that Tony's implied death is the result of the ongoing unrest with New York--


That's quite an assumption. There are any number of people who might have wanted Tony dead.

I think you can remove might have from that sentence :lol:


:lol: Yeah. Maybe it was Coco's nephew working outside the purview of the New York guys. Who knows? Who cares? The point is, he finally died.
A story driven by characters playing out a narrative over almost a decade's time can have a lackluster narrative finale and response is "who cares? He's dead."

Sorry, I want more/better.



I think you're just not understanding the narrative. Does it really matter who killed Tony?
I think you're just not understanding what I mean by "narrative". Who killed Tony is immaterial to the themes and motifs of that season and episode in particular. But it definitely does matter if the narrative plot is to make sense. And as displayed that plot doesn't make sense.

Author:  doug - evergreen park [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:31 pm ]
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i heard an interesting take (I think yesterday?) that the viewer was the one who got whacked.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:33 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm just not sure what kind of "closure" people like Juice are looking for. Do they wish Tony would have gotten shot while filling up his car and then gotten his head run over? Chase gave you that with Phil. He gave you all kinds of blood and guts with Bobby and Syl. I don't think you needed to see Tony die or know who killed him.
I wanted ome silver of plot to tie up the whole series' narrative. The cinematography and playing on themes was all superb, but the ending itself was not supported by the plot.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:38 pm ]
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doug - evergreen park wrote:
i heard an interesting take (I think yesterday?) that the viewer was the one who got whacked.

Sounds like the time Vince McMahon fired the viewer and Monday Night Raw went to static.

Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:40 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I think you're just not understanding what I mean by "narrative". Who killed Tony is immaterial to the themes and motifs of that season and episode in particular. But it definitely does matter if the narrative plot is to make sense. And as displayed that plot doesn't make sense.


Did it make sense that some poor old Ukrainian got whacked because his daughter was fucking Phil Leotardo? Not to the old Ukrainian, I'm sure. There was a lot of senseless violence/killing in the series. Did it make sense when Christopher killed the guy from Wings? Did it make sense when Gene attacked Little Paulie on the construction site?

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:40 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
doug - evergreen park wrote:
i heard an interesting take (I think yesterday?) that the viewer was the one who got whacked.

Sounds like the time Vince McMahon fired the viewer and Monday Night Raw went to static.

Yea, that's TJ Quinn on Twitter. It's a very interesting and well thought out (incorrect) take.

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