Vegan,
Do you want me to make some posts about music to take some heat off you?

If guys want to argue people like Russell Westbrook are not or will not be better than Pippen then I'm more than happy to push back. JORR can defend the players that used to run away from dinosaurs on their way to the local gym.

This is why advanced metrics shouldn't be cited by morons.

Everybody has a career peak. His game was at its best and he was in a situation where it wasn't necessary for him to carry the scoring load.

I'd never say he was better than Bernard King or Dominique.

Westbrook also fails your team success barometer. Interesting that you have it out for Wade.

But the argument wasn't Wade is better than LBJ - we all know LBJ is better. This is about individual talent and a who would you draft first kind of thing.

Right. If it's a "who would you draft first to win a championship?" draft I'm taking Pippen over Westbrook, given what we've seen from Westbrook so far. If my goal isn't to win games but rather to get a player who might lead the league in triple doubles, I'd take Westbrook.

Not my argument though. Better player. Not more team accomplishments. McGrady was as successful as Pippen was when both were the alpha on their teams - they didn't win anything.

And you'd be wrong. He led a team to the NBA Finals (foul on Hubert Davis doesn't count) while leading that team in EVERY major ststistical category. In '92, MANY said he was the best all-around player on the Dream Team.

I agree with some of your MJ takes, but your Scottie takes are awful.

I've been on the Scottie Island for years. It's nice to have some company.

Island? One of my first posts here was about how underrated Scottie was.

I don't recall seeing you post over the years when I appeared to be the only person who thought Scottie was an all time great player. I was told he wasn't a top 10 SF.

And you'd be wrong. He led a team to the NBA Finals (foul on Hubert Davis doesn't count)

I don't recall seeing you post over the years when I appeared to be the only person who thought Scottie was an all time great player. I was told he wasn't a top 10 SF.

See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I say you guys are influenced by your rooting interests. I've actually had a close friend who is a huge Bulls fan argue and go hard at me insisting that that team actually made the finals. He had repeated the same narrative that you just expressed so many times in his head that he actually truly believed that team was in the finals. It's the same thing as the fantasy EIGHTpeat that didn't happen. And of course when Jordan got bounced from the conference finals by a good Orlando team, it's just excuses about how he wasn't "in basketball shape" even though he was King Kong a few weeks earlier dropping 55 on the Knicks. And anyway, why didn't Scottie take over against Orlando?

If Scottie isn't great then there is no debate that Jordan is better than every player in history.

If Scottie is as you describe then Jordan winning 6/7 titles in a row is probably the greatest feat in NBA history.

Nice strawman. Who said Scottie wasn't great? He just wasn't one of the fifty best to ever play the game.

It's Bulls fans who are inconsistent. In a Jordan argument, Jordan did it alone. In a Pippen argument, Pippen was one of the best ever.

What kind of fanboy lingo is that? How exactly does one win "6 of 7 titles in a row?"

Fanboy lingo? It's accurate.

Why are you so upset by Bulls fans? He played for in the playoffs 7 times and won 6 of them.

Lotta irrational Scottie love here. Pretty ordinarily good player. No one would worship him if he didn't ride Jordan's coattails to six rings. He'd be just another local Bulls legend.

I'm not sure what's got you so confused.

1) Was Scottie a top 50 player of all time? NO
2) Was Scottie a top 100 player of all time? PROBABLY
3) Was he one of the 10 best players of his generation? NO
4) Was he one of the 10 best SF of all time?

He proved himself in the year between the two championship runs without MJ. He was one bad call away from carrying a team to the championship series

If it's 6 of 7 they're not in a row.