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| Author: | City of Fools [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Nas wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Nas wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to have Wiggins and a player comparable to Love for a fraction of the price? Are you saying LBJ and others should know the future? I knew Love was fools gold. LeBron should have known too. Instead he was praying for a Chris Bosh. I don't think they win the last championship they did with Wiggins. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
KDdidit wrote: Pretty cool how the Cavs lost to Detroit when Detroit didn't have the players they traded for Blake OR Blake. A starting 5 of Drummond, Anthony Tolliver, Stanley Johnson, Reggie Bullock and Ish Smith beat them. Yep. Lebron's return to Cleveland though romanticized, was always predicated on him playing with Irving and Love. That Love deal was in place the day he signed on. Unfortunately it never was presented that way. Love and Irving were afterthoughts in that particular equation. Perception has always been about Lebron and his golden touch. As long as you have him you can simply write a ticket to the Finals. Ok let's see. His teammates have never received much credit. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. Interesting that you should mention that. Post LBJ Miami Heat are currently a half a game back of Cleveland. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports.
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. Yeah. LeBron would be poor had he not left Miami. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
LeBron to Golden State lmfao The NBA doesn't mean anything anymore |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. Yeah. LeBron would be poor had he not left Miami. Context, my friend. Read the thread. Business profits. LBJ would have stayed rich in Miami, but Cleveland would miss out on all that revenue he's injected into the businesses surrounding the arena, not to mention the franchise itself. He should leverage that power any time he wants. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
veganfan21 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. Yeah. LeBron would be poor had he not left Miami. Context, my friend. Read the thread. Business profits. LBJ would have stayed rich in Miami, but Cleveland would miss out on all that revenue he's injected into the businesses surrounding the arena, not to mention the franchise itself. He should leverage that power any time he wants. By buying the franchise. Until he does that he is nothing more than a mere employee. His constant need to exercise "leverage" is killing the franchise currently. Main reason that they lost MVP candidate Kyrie Irving. Also the primary reason that their championship window is now closed. No surprise that his current teammates have decided to take their shots. Long overdue IMO. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. Yeah. LeBron would be poor had he not left Miami. Context, my friend. Read the thread. Business profits. LBJ would have stayed rich in Miami, but Cleveland would miss out on all that revenue he's injected into the businesses surrounding the arena, not to mention the franchise itself. He should leverage that power any time he wants. By buying the franchise. Until he does that he is nothing more than a mere employee. His constant need to exercise "leverage" is killing the franchise currently. Main reason that they lost MVP candidate Kyrie Irving. Also the primary reason that their championship window is now closed. No surprise that his current teammates have decided to take their shots. Long overdue IMO. who do you have coming out of the East this year instead of them |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
conns7901 wrote: Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. LBJ is the most successful GM in Cleveland sports history. He's also more successful than the following GMs over the past three year period: LAL LAC SA OKC DAL BOS CHI ATL NO MEM MiA |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
conns7901 wrote: Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. The franchise has had the most success it has ever had in its near 50 years of history in the past 3 seasons. I'm sure Dan Gilbert would make all the same moves all over again. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Bagels wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. Yeah. LeBron would be poor had he not left Miami. Context, my friend. Read the thread. Business profits. LBJ would have stayed rich in Miami, but Cleveland would miss out on all that revenue he's injected into the businesses surrounding the arena, not to mention the franchise itself. He should leverage that power any time he wants. By buying the franchise. Until he does that he is nothing more than a mere employee. His constant need to exercise "leverage" is killing the franchise currently. Main reason that they lost MVP candidate Kyrie Irving. Also the primary reason that their championship window is now closed. No surprise that his current teammates have decided to take their shots. Long overdue IMO. who do you have coming out of the East this year instead of them Boston. Wasn't sold on them initially. Cleveland is done. I want to see Lebron James carry this collection of old geezers to the NBA Finals. Love won't be back til playoff time and who knows how effective he will be. There is a chance that they won't have home court for during any of the series in which they are participating. It is about to get real now. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. The franchise has had the most success it has ever had in its near 50 years of history in the past 3 seasons. I'm sure Dan Gilbert would make all the same moves all over again. It had more to do with him returning as a player and not a GM. He can't wait to get away from the mess that he created. He didn't acquire Kyrie Irving either. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
long time guy wrote: Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. The franchise has had the most success it has ever had in its near 50 years of history in the past 3 seasons. I'm sure Dan Gilbert would make all the same moves all over again. It had more to do with him returning as a player and not a GM. His moves have so great that it is a foregone conclusion that he will be leaving at the end of the year. He didn't acquire Kyrie Irving either. I would agree that their window is shut after this season. I still think they might be able to squeeze in one more finals appearance, but yeah, it's definitely over this off-season. With all of that said, any GM would make the same moves if it guaranteed them 3-4 straight finals appearances. Anyone that would say otherwise is lying and a dumbass. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. The franchise has had the most success it has ever had in its near 50 years of history in the past 3 seasons. I'm sure Dan Gilbert would make all the same moves all over again. It had more to do with him returning as a player and not a GM. His moves have so great that it is a foregone conclusion that he will be leaving at the end of the year. He didn't acquire Kyrie Irving either. I would agree that their window is shut after this season. I still think they might be able to squeeze in one more finals appearance, but yeah, it's definitely over this off-season. With all of that said, any GM would make the same moves if it guaranteed them 3-4 straight finals appearances. Anyone that would say otherwise is lying and a dumbass. Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. The franchise has had the most success it has ever had in its near 50 years of history in the past 3 seasons. I'm sure Dan Gilbert would make all the same moves all over again. DB has vegan on ignore. Probably a good call anyway. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
long time guy wrote: Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: Lebron is a bad GM that saddled Cleveland with awful contracts. However he gets to leave that mess behind this summer. The franchise has had the most success it has ever had in its near 50 years of history in the past 3 seasons. I'm sure Dan Gilbert would make all the same moves all over again. It had more to do with him returning as a player and not a GM. His moves have so great that it is a foregone conclusion that he will be leaving at the end of the year. He didn't acquire Kyrie Irving either. I would agree that their window is shut after this season. I still think they might be able to squeeze in one more finals appearance, but yeah, it's definitely over this off-season. With all of that said, any GM would make the same moves if it guaranteed them 3-4 straight finals appearances. Anyone that would say otherwise is lying and a dumbass. Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. I also have issues with transactions that saddle franchises with three straight finals appearances and a championship. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
City of Fools wrote: Nas wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Nas wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to have Wiggins and a player comparable to Love for a fraction of the price? Are you saying LBJ and others should know the future? I knew Love was fools gold. LeBron should have known too. Instead he was praying for a Chris Bosh. I don't think they win the last championship they did with Wiggins. Right. Wiggins is a trash player. The answer to Nas’s original question is no. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
long time guy wrote: Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. Okay, let's go "yes or no". Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. Okay, let's go "yes or no". Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? You've been roped in. Don't feed the trolls. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. Okay, let's go "yes or no". Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? They would have made the finals without those moves. That is my point. If those moves were responsible for them making the finals then the answer is yes. There is no way that the acquisition of guys like Frye, Korver, Smith, and Shumpert place them in the finals. They acquired a bunch of guys that you couldn't play once the Finals began. Yeah they were pretty valuable. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Bagels wrote: long time guy wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: veganfan21 wrote: The post-Miami LBJ model is the ideal model for anyone who values freedom and individualism. It's also very successful, both monetarily and within the world of sports. Yeah. LeBron would be poor had he not left Miami. Context, my friend. Read the thread. Business profits. LBJ would have stayed rich in Miami, but Cleveland would miss out on all that revenue he's injected into the businesses surrounding the arena, not to mention the franchise itself. He should leverage that power any time he wants. By buying the franchise. Until he does that he is nothing more than a mere employee. His constant need to exercise "leverage" is killing the franchise currently. Main reason that they lost MVP candidate Kyrie Irving. Also the primary reason that their championship window is now closed. No surprise that his current teammates have decided to take their shots. Long overdue IMO. who do you have coming out of the East this year instead of them Celtics |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. Okay, let's go "yes or no". Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? Would the Cavs have been in the finals the past two seasons without Triston Thompson making 16 million a year? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
conns7901 wrote: Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. Okay, let's go "yes or no". Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? Would the Cavs have been in the finals the past two seasons without Triston Thompson making 16 million a year? Stop deflecting and answer my question. Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: Lebron whines about the "not having enough" every year. This despite having the highest payroll in the league the past 3 years. He looks to correct the moves that he was instrumental in making. That has been my biggest issue with him. Every year he seeks do overs for the moves that he wants made. Okay, let's go "yes or no". Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? Would the Cavs have been in the finals the past two seasons without Triston Thompson making 16 million a year? Stop deflecting and answer my question. Would you make all the same moves the Cavs have made if it guaranteed you 3-4 straight finals appearances? Yes or No? No. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LeBron James |
Shouldn't he be focused on the Cavs and this year.....I can just imagine him bitching if other players were talking about next year...he's an attention whore this is why he'll never be better than Jordan |
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