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Second story on their website right now:

"Bears QB Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky fumbles 3 snaps in practice drill"

You know what ESPN, go fuck yourself hard.

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Blame your GM for drafting the fourth rated QB in the draft with the 2nd overall pick. Not ESPN.

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i found it a few stories under blake bortles throws 5 practice int's....


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Why in the name of God are you surfing ESPN to begin with?

OP is the DB here.

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Blame your GM for drafting the fourth rated QB in the draft with the 2nd overall pick. Not ESPN.

Who were rated higher?

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If that was Cutler, it would have been the center's fault...

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Blame your GM for drafting the fourth rated QB in the draft with the 2nd overall pick. Not ESPN.

Who were rated higher?

Watson, Mahomes, Kizer

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Blame your GM for drafting the fourth rated QB in the draft with the 2nd overall pick. Not ESPN.

Who were rated higher?

Watson, Mahomes, Kizer
That doesn't seem right.

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https://www.si.com/2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

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https://www.si.com/2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings


NFL rankings had him #1 with a combine grade similar to that of Mariotta

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https://www.si.com/2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

At a minimum, they were WAY off on Kizer.

That's just a weird list though. I did like Watson though, especially because the Bears had to give up so much to get (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.

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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.

Kizer blows. Not a NFL quality QB.

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Kizer fooled me.

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I was sure when I saw this thread show up that it was going to be Hoffy complaining they weren't talking about the Cubs in the past few weeks.

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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.


Mahomes is the only player who is "definitely" better.

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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.


Mahomes is the only player who is "definitely" better.

Watson's definitely been better so far as a pro.

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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.


Mahomes is the only player who is "definitely" better.

Watson's definitely been better so far as a pro.


Not this season. Last season there was no question. As has been mentioned MANY times his body was the reason he likely wasn't the first quarterback taken. Mahomes is the only no doubt for me and part of me questions if the talent around him is the reason he's been this great.

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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.


Mahomes is the only player who is "definitely" better.

Watson's definitely been better so far as a pro.


Not this season. Last season there was no question. As has been mentioned MANY times his body was the reason he likely wasn't the first quarterback taken. Mahomes is the only no doubt for me and part of me questions if the talent around him is the reason he's been this great.

Deshaun Watson's stats this year and last year are so similar it isn't even worth breaking down. Go look.

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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.


Mahomes is the only player who is "definitely" better.

Watson's definitely been better so far as a pro.


Not this season. Last season there was no question. As has been mentioned MANY times his body was the reason he likely wasn't the first quarterback taken. Mahomes is the only no doubt for me and part of me questions if the talent around him is the reason he's been this great.

Deshaun Watson's stats this year and last year are so similar it isn't even worth breaking down. Go look.


I'm saying in comparison to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He's played in 8 games and Mitch has played in 6 and their numbers are very similar. Unless (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky sucks over the next couple of weeks his 8 game numbers will be superior.

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i found it a few stories under blake bortles throws 5 practice int's....

Those aren't interceptions, they are Bortle punts

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Well, Watson and Mahomes are definitely better. Kizer doesn't seem so, but who knows when he gets decent volume in a non-Browns system. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky might end up 4th. 3rd best is his ceiling. Very sad when you trade up 1 spot to #2 and take the first QB picked. Ouch.


Mahomes is the only player who is "definitely" better.

Watson's definitely been better so far as a pro.


Not this season. Last season there was no question. As has been mentioned MANY times his body was the reason he likely wasn't the first quarterback taken. Mahomes is the only no doubt for me and part of me questions if the talent around him is the reason he's been this great.

Deshaun Watson's stats this year and last year are so similar it isn't even worth breaking down. Go look.


I'm saying in comparison to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. He's played in 8 games and Mitch has played in 6 and their numbers are very similar. Unless (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky sucks over the next couple of weeks his 8 game numbers will be superior.

So you're judging talent based on volume? You're the NFL version of LTG. Congratulations.

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So you're judging talent based on volume? You're the NFL version of LTG. Congratulations.


Production matters. Naturally gifted people don't always produce. Quarterbacks are judged by winning and statistical production.

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So you're judging talent based on volume? You're the NFL version of LTG. Congratulations.


Production matters. Naturally gifted people don't always produce. Quarterbacks are judged by winning and statistical production.

But Watson's production shows nothing that you'd criticize him for. He has nothing besides Hopkins. His statistics are exemplary, all things considered.

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So you're judging talent based on volume? You're the NFL version of LTG. Congratulations.


Production matters. Naturally gifted people don't always produce. Quarterbacks are judged by winning and statistical production.

But Watson's production shows nothing that you'd criticize him for. He has nothing besides Hopkins. His statistics are exemplary, all things considered.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and most quarterbacks would love to have a similar safety net. I never criticized his production. I just said that you can't say he's "definitely" better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky when (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has similar or better stats this season.

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So you're judging talent based on volume? You're the NFL version of LTG. Congratulations.


Production matters. Naturally gifted people don't always produce. Quarterbacks are judged by winning and statistical production.

But Watson's production shows nothing that you'd criticize him for. He has nothing besides Hopkins. His statistics are exemplary, all things considered.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and most quarterbacks would love to have a similar safety net. I never criticized his production. I just said that you can't say he's "definitely" better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky when (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has similar or better stats this season.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky does not have Hopkins but he has more numerous outlets for short passes in a spread offense. He also has two reliable running backs that make sure defenses can't cheat as often as they do on Watson. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky having a 65% completion in this offense is sort of embarrassing.

You want QB's to be judged by winning? Houston is 5-3 and in first place. Chicago is 3-3 and in last place.

Watson for his career is 8-6. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is 7-11. QB win-loss is as bad as starting pitcher win-loss, but brought it up.

It has been since Week 1 that you've allowed me to tutor you. We'll have to set something up again soon.

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IMU hasn't even mentioned the offensive lines yet, which has the biggest gap of any position group between Chicago and Houston. The tutor needs a tutor.

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