People are protesting a work of art before even seeing the finished product. The Regressive Left strikes again. All this type of shit does is alienate reasonable people from your cause.

I'd like to think this is just a small number of oversensitive crybabies but no, this was the number one thing trending on Twitter last night. Shameful.

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I guess the woman that started oscarssowhite urged people to tweet at Game of Thrones to get the attention of HBO. I read the story about the show it seems some really smart people are producing (GofT folks) and writing it. Seems like a way to explore current topics in a fantasy world/timeline but what do I know?

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FF is right. Wait until it comes out at least.

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i don't agree with the paranoid notion that something like this would "erase actual history". i would say the problem with this kind of assumption is that we as a nation still have not fully recovered from that period of history. so, making a trivial drama that still uses slavery as a plot device would be deemed insensitive. i get that.

this has gotten criticism from sci-fi writer steven barnes, who has written sci-fi stuff mostly. he had a novel called "lion's blood" that is also alternative history, in which africa is the standard of social evolution while europe is backward and archaic. vikings are slave traders for whites.

one other notable example was a comparison to "the man in the high castle". the difference, they said, was that germany doesn't have statues for nazis or hitler, while we still have statues for confederate "heroes". that's a valid criticism.

It could be. It may also be a show that puts the confederates in a bad light.

These are the same people constantly attacking game of thrones.

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It's the professionally outraged class. People like Tim Baffoe.

Were there protests from WWII vets about Man in the High Castle? I would doubt it because they don't give a shit what some tv show does.

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I don't entirely agree with the last part of your post. I would agree that a lot of the South doesn't disavow the Confederacy the same way most of Germany disavows Nazisim, but it's also a much more nuanced discussion than a simple 1:1 comparison, and I don't think many have the patience for that type of discussion.

Regardless of how good someone's intentions may be, I can't ever condone criticizing a work of art before having even the slightest idea what the finished product will look like. And when they criticism goes as far as to try to shut down the entire project, I think it's clear that's the biggest problem in this entire discussion.

It might be a bad idea. People have bad ideas all the time. To label it dangerous is outright alarmism and against most of our values.

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i'm sure the intention would be to show them in a bad light; but the fear from them is still the glorification, even if it's a villain. there are fans of cersei. they wouldn't want to see fans of the confederates. "thrones" is entirely fiction, whereas "confederate" has some actual history that's still pertinent to us.

i disagree completely with the "thrones" criticisms. the most pure relationship portrayed in the entire series is between two black characters. that seems to be overlooked by their accusations that there is no good representation of "persons of color". it's just lazy armchair criticism bullshit to get their names out there.

there's at least some validity in "confederate" pessimism.

Here's what I find interesting. Many of the same people protesting this project are praising The Handmaid's Tale for being "relevant" and "a modern day cautionary tale" and things like that.

I mean... come on. that's the essence of WYC

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I'm fine with pessimism. Blanket criticism and calling for the project to be shutdown are unacceptable imo, and a much bigger problem than the project itself could possibly be.

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well, there's no nuance when it comes to this kind of reactionary criticism. it's always a five alarm fire. i'm not condoning attacking something before it's out, i'm just agreeing with some of the sentiment that it can be perceived as offensive and insensitive.

the difference between germany in the 30's/40's and the US during the civil war is that the latter was a *civil* war, between its own nation. germany did not have defectors overthrowing hitler to free the concentration camps. there's a strange mystique to nazism because of what they got away with for a time. but germany wants nothing to do with that part of their history; we're still coming to terms with ours. it's harder because while the south "lost", they still are a part of our country and there are parts that still believe in the confederacy.

They want it cancelled. That's more than pessimism.

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i don't think they'll accomplish what they want. HBO is probably loving the controversy because it's free advertising. they can protest all they want, but the show will go on if there's already money put into it. which i think there is by this point.

I'm always amazed when people seemingly have so few responsibilities in their lives they can be professional protestors. If a good portion of your daily energy and time is going towards "protesting" HBO then I question how you can hold down a real job, or a romantic relationship, or raise kids, or even pay your damn bills on time. Forever embroiled in a state of disgust and constantly searching for outrage has to be so fucking draining on you and the people around you. How can these people even find joy, let alone the higher state of consciousness they desperately seek?

That being said, I find the concept of the show just meh.

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I like to believe it's a bit of a self selecting thing with people on Twitter. That's where SJWs are born and live. Hopefully there are a lot of sensible people on the left who just have better things to do than hashtag

I couldn't think of a greater collection of over sensitive crybabies than Twitter.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

This statement actually applies to both sides of the aisle. It's become very difficult to find interest groups and politicians that you can actually agree with. They seem to take everything to an extreme and forget that democracy requires compromise and understanding instead of shouting and name calling.

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Pretty much. I would go further to say I do not see an end in sight.

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Just imagine what these miserable Kansas City burritos would be saying if they were around when Mel Brooks was making Blazing Saddles

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You dont even have to go back that far. There's Something About Mary is "maaaad problematic"

why do posters like FF and JLN search out for people to be mad at who are mad about things?

In this case it's an attempt to limit what could be a good viewing option. HBO even had to respond. Do we really want Twitter perpetual victims dictating what we can see?

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hbo: we take your concerns seriously. now here is the show.

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But the larger concern is, these idiots can and do effect change even when it's not called for. For some reason, they do get listened to. Like Rick said, HBO had to respond to this . It's crazy.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

such as....?

You've never seen people get fired, sponsors pull out of something over social media backlash ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

There is an entire outrage industry and these assholes basically do this for a living. You can blame the blue checkmark brigade for pushing this shit.

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HBO cancelled a show quickly about horse racing because of animal safety concerns. Other shows may face more scrutiny because of this.

It's possible Mad Men would have faced similar resistance due to how it may have portrayed women. Any show dealing with past generations is a target of the perpetual victimhood group.

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