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“The renaissance of baseball and Yaz -- I love Ted Williams, he was a great, great guy. Arguably, certainly one of, if not the best hitter that ever lived, he and Musial probably. But Ted never had a year like Yaz had in ’67. It was one of those things you really had to see it to believe it.”

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Do you think he masturbates to a picture of Yaz every night?

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“The renaissance of baseball and Yaz -- I love Ted Williams, he was a great, great guy. Arguably, certainly one of, if not the best hitter that ever lived, he and Musial probably. But Ted never had a year like Yaz had in ’67. It was one of those things you really had to see it to believe it.”

He needs to be buried. Not pro wrestling buried, I mean under concrete and dirt buried.

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 Post subject: Re: Hawk Harrelson
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Great nomination. I hate when old baseball players have opinions on other old baseball players.

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 Post subject: Re: Hawk Harrelson
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Great nomination. I hate when old baseball players have opinions on other old baseball players.

Was Hawk wrong? Did Yaz have a better career year?

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 Post subject: Re: Hawk Harrelson
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Well, Ted Williams is Ted Williams. No comparison with Yaz at all.

Hawk might be right about '67. You can't compare the traditional numbers, and Yaz had a better glove. Yaz also actually got hits in the playoffs. Obviously, I didn't see any games that season (in the year Cobain was born), but Yaz and Lonborg apparently carried that team to the pennant. I've read a lot about it because it was such a great pennant race and because, as usual in that time, the White Sox finished a hair behind.

"Don't tell me what you hit; tell me when you hit it." Hawk would have seen Yaz get some huge September hits.

He said this again on today's broadcast, but made no attempt to qualify what he meant.

Damn, I wish I could have seen that season. Cubs were good, too, that year.

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 Post subject: Re: Hawk Harrelson
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Well, Ted Williams is Ted Williams. No comparison with Yaz at all.

Hawk might be right about '67. You can't compare the traditional numbers, and Yaz had a better glove. Yaz also actually got hits in the playoffs. Obviously, I didn't see any games that season (in the year Cobain was born), but Yaz and Lonborg apparently carried that team to the pennant. I've read a lot about it because it was such a great pennant race and because, as usual in that time, the White Sox finished a hair behind.

"Don't tell me what you hit; tell me when you hit it." Hawk would have seen Yaz get some huge September hits.

He said this again on today's broadcast, but made no attempt to qualify what he meant.

Damn, I wish I could have seen that season. Cubs were good, too, that year.


I'm pretty sure that by modern statistical analysis only Babe Ruth ever had a season(s) better than Yaz's 1967.

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Well, Ted Williams is Ted Williams. No comparison with Yaz at all.

Hawk might be right about '67. You can't compare the traditional numbers, and Yaz had a better glove. Yaz also actually got hits in the playoffs. Obviously, I didn't see any games that season (in the year Cobain was born), but Yaz and Lonborg apparently carried that team to the pennant. I've read a lot about it because it was such a great pennant race and because, as usual in that time, the White Sox finished a hair behind.

"Don't tell me what you hit; tell me when you hit it." Hawk would have seen Yaz get some huge September hits.

He said this again on today's broadcast, but made no attempt to qualify what he meant.

Damn, I wish I could have seen that season. Cubs were good, too, that year.


I'm pretty sure that by modern statistical analysis only Babe Ruth ever had a season(s) better than Yaz's 1967.

Yeah I'm not sure that taken at face value, Hawk is wrong saying t hat. Overall , Ill take Teddy ball game but that 67 season was incredible for Yaz

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FavreFan wrote:
Great nomination. I hate when old baseball players have opinions on other old baseball players.

Was Hawk wrong? Did Yaz have a better career year?


Let's assume he did


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Yaz's 1967 was good for a WAR at 11.1. Ted Williams had 3 seasons above 11 WAR.

Yaz's '67 came with a 194 wRC+, the highest of his career. Williams had 5 full seasons above a 200 wRC+.


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Well, Ted Williams is Ted Williams. No comparison with Yaz at all.

Hawk might be right about '67. You can't compare the traditional numbers, and Yaz had a better glove. Yaz also actually got hits in the playoffs. Obviously, I didn't see any games that season (in the year Cobain was born), but Yaz and Lonborg apparently carried that team to the pennant. I've read a lot about it because it was such a great pennant race and because, as usual in that time, the White Sox finished a hair behind.

"Don't tell me what you hit; tell me when you hit it." Hawk would have seen Yaz get some huge September hits.

He said this again on today's broadcast, but made no attempt to qualify what he meant.

Damn, I wish I could have seen that season. Cubs were good, too, that year.


I'm pretty sure that by modern statistical analysis only Babe Ruth ever had a season(s) better than Yaz's 1967.

Yeah I'm not sure that taken at face value, Hawk is wrong saying t hat. Overall , Ill take Teddy ball game but that 67 season was incredible for Yaz


Yep.

In a rush to make fun of Hawk, OP didn't think about what he actually said.

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Great nomination. I hate when old baseball players have opinions on other old baseball players.

Was Hawk wrong? Did Yaz have a better career year?


Let's assume he did


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One season. Different game that year, that era.

Yaz had a truly inspired year, a few great seasons, and a lot of good seasons. Hawk saw the most important part of his best season.

Wow--the stats site says Yaz's WAR for '67 was 12.4. Yikes.

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 Post subject: Re: Hawk Harrelson
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One season. Different game that year, that era.

Yaz had a truly inspired year, a few great seasons, and a lot of good seasons. Hawk saw the most important part of his best season.

Wow--the stats site says Yaz's WAR for '67 was 12.4. Yikes.


fWAR says 11.1. I choose the WAR outlet that best suits my argument. Sue me.


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1941,1949 Ted Williams better year than 1967 Yaz.

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 Post subject: Re: Hawk Harrelson
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1941,1949 Ted Williams better year than 1967 Yaz.


I don't believe that's the case if you PROPERLY adjust for run environments.

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One season. Different game that year, that era.

Yaz had a truly inspired year, a few great seasons, and a lot of good seasons. Hawk saw the most important part of his best season.

Wow--the stats site says Yaz's WAR for '67 was 12.4. Yikes.


fWAR says 11.1. I choose the WAR outlet that best suits my argument. Sue me.


You don't see an issue with an aggregate stat that can't even be agreed upon?

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Hawk hates Wrigley too

“I’ll tell you this much, I’ll never go back to Wrigley Field again. We’ve got three games over at their place, and I told Jerry (Reinsdorf) the other day before we came on this trip, I said, ‘I’m not going back to Wrigley Field.’”

“He said, ‘Well, you’ve got three games there next year.’ I said, ‘Well, I’m talking with (Bob) Grim. We’re going to get rid of those.’ “Worst press box, worst booths for television. It’s a joke. It really is. And so, Jason (Benetti) is getting ready for those three at Wrigley. I will never step foot in that ballpark again. Ever.”


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One season. Different game that year, that era.

Yaz had a truly inspired year, a few great seasons, and a lot of good seasons. Hawk saw the most important part of his best season.

Wow--the stats site says Yaz's WAR for '67 was 12.4. Yikes.


fWAR says 11.1. I choose the WAR outlet that best suits my argument. Sue me.


You don't see an issue with an aggregate stat that can't even be agreed upon?


Do you see an issue with the standard model because of string theory? Does the existence of both disprove the veracity of either?


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Wasn't that 67 red sox team the only team hawk was on that went to the post season / world series? maybe that's why he said what he did.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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One season. Different game that year, that era.

Yaz had a truly inspired year, a few great seasons, and a lot of good seasons. Hawk saw the most important part of his best season.

Wow--the stats site says Yaz's WAR for '67 was 12.4. Yikes.


fWAR says 11.1. I choose the WAR outlet that best suits my argument. Sue me.

Oh, didn't even see that. Whatevs. I'm just surprised that it was that high....

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Wasn't that 67 red sox team the only team hawk was on that went to the post season / world series? maybe that's why he said what he did.

probably. he played on some shitty teams. kc a's.

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Nomination denied, Yaz had his year in one that was dominated by pitchers. He probably has higher numbers if that season occurs in Williams' era. In fact 1967 was such a pitcher dominating year that it led to them lowering the mound 2 years later.

Heck, just Google the White Sox pitching staff numbers that season and you'll see what I mean.

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Nomination denied, Yaz had his year in one that was dominated by pitchers. He probably has higher numbers if that season occurs in Williams' era. In fact 1967 was such a pitcher dominating year that it led to them lowering the mound 2 years later.

Heck, just Google the White Sox pitching staff numbers that season and you'll see what I mean.


Teddy Ballgame gave up many of his prime seasons to kill Nazi's. Was Yaz shooting zipper heads in Quảng Trị Province during his prime? I think not.


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Nomination denied, Yaz had his year in one that was dominated by pitchers. He probably has higher numbers if that season occurs in Williams' era. In fact 1967 was such a pitcher dominating year that it led to them lowering the mound 2 years later.

Heck, just Google the White Sox pitching staff numbers that season and you'll see what I mean.


Teddy Ballgame gave up many of his prime seasons to kill Nazi's. Was Yaz shooting zipper heads in Quảng Trị Province during his prime? I think not.

No doubt that Ted Williams had the better career. As for best single season, Yaz wins that.

Hawk says a lot of hyperbolic bullshit but this instance was no one of those times.

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One season. Different game that year, that era.

Yaz had a truly inspired year, a few great seasons, and a lot of good seasons. Hawk saw the most important part of his best season.

Wow--the stats site says Yaz's WAR for '67 was 12.4. Yikes.


fWAR says 11.1. I choose the WAR outlet that best suits my argument. Sue me.


You don't see an issue with an aggregate stat that can't even be agreed upon?


Do you see an issue with the standard model because of string theory? Does the existence of both disprove the veracity of either?


:lol: I'm not going to pretend I know the slightest thing about string theory, but I do know enough not to compare it to different guys attempting to create a single number to value a ballplayer.

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Williams led the league in about 20 categories in 1941. Maybe more.

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