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Douchebag wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

GONE for 8 games.

3 failed drug tests for pot gets you 5 games, BTW., and Portis broke someone's face.

I wouldn't advocate for his ouster if he would have punched Niko and just rung his bell, it's the face fractures that warrant it. Strict liability of punching people in the face applies. That's what got Joe Mixon charged so heavily.

By all released accounts, Niko was the instigator and Portis was just defending himself.

Niko instigated with a shove, Portis escalated with a blow to the face. That in and of itself would be acceptable, but for the blow causing serious harm.

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

GONE for 8 games.

By all released accounts, Niko was the instigator and Portis was just defending himself.

Niko instigated with a shove, Portis escalated with a blow to the face. That in and of itself would be acceptable, but for the blow causing serious harm.

So defending yourself is wrong if you cause serious injury.

(Runs over to bump posts of cops who killed people in self defense and your defense of them)

But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight.

Of great bodily harm? No.

Portis was justified in perceiving an "invitation to brawl", but the force he used in that brawl (as evidenced by broken facial bones) was unwarranted.

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight.

Of great bodily harm? No.

Portis was justified in perceiving an "invitation to brawl", but the force he used in that brawl (as evidenced by broken facial bones) was unwarranted.

I can understand that but I don't understand how you can justify the use of deadly force by a police officer against an unarmed citizen as "fearing for their life" if two guys who are roughly the same weight and physically fit don't have the right to claim the same fear.

Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut.

So I guess Markannen gets some extra minutes early on now? This is gonna be a disaster.

Nas wrote:

Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut.

Hell no.

He punched a guy in a fight.

Terry's Peeps wrote:

Nas wrote:

Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut.

Hell no.

He punched a guy in a fight.

How healthy is it to have a guy on your team who almost killed his teammate? Especially a guy who sucks.

Terry's Peeps wrote:

Nas wrote:

Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut.

Hell no.

He punched a guy in a fight.

How healthy is it to have a guy on your team who almost killed his teammate? Especially a guy who sucks.

Nas wrote:

Terry's Peeps wrote:

Nas wrote:

Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut.

Hell no.

He punched a guy in a fight.

How healthy is it to have a guy on your team who almost killed his teammate? Especially a guy who sucks.

Gotta envy mirotic. Guy apparently starts something with a bench player on a rookie contract, loses the fight, and then becomes the sympathetic one in this whole mess.

Nikola Mirotic shoved Bobby Portis multiple times before Portis responded.
Paxson: “I wouldn’t call it a sucker punch at all. They were both aggressive leading up to it. But Bobby crossed a line.”

Yeah, if you shove a guy aggressively and then he knocks you the fuck out that's not a sucker punch.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight.

Of great bodily harm? No.

Portis was justified in perceiving an "invitation to brawl", but the force he used in that brawl (as evidenced by broken facial bones) was unwarranted.

Nas wrote:

Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut.

Not necessarily. We don't know what went down but if two unarmed, equally matched guys get into a fight then all bets are off. If you come at me and we start brawling, you or I may get a fractured face as a result, but I don't think either one of us could complain to the other about that given the circumstances. If i sucker punch you then that's a very different story. Don't know what happened though.

Would your suicide vest count as you being unarmed?

Author:	veganfan21 [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
I'd be fine if paxson choked hoiberg and portis punched forman. Niko could bring them all ice packs or something when it's done.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Douchebag wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: GONE for 8 games. 3 failed drug tests for pot gets you 5 games, BTW., and Portis broke someone's face. I wouldn't advocate for his ouster if he would have punched Niko and just rung his bell, it's the face fractures that warrant it. Strict liability of punching people in the face applies. That's what got Joe Mixon charged so heavily. By all released accounts, Niko was the instigator and Portis was just defending himself. Niko instigated with a shove, Portis escalated with a blow to the face. That in and of itself would be acceptable, but for the blow causing serious harm. So defending yourself is wrong if you cause serious injury. (Runs over to bump posts of cops who killed people in self defense and your defense of them)

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Wasn't a guy charged with murder or something for punching a guy in the head during a hotel brawl, causing a brain bleed that lead to death?

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Douchebag wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: GONE for 8 games. 3 failed drug tests for pot gets you 5 games, BTW., and Portis broke someone's face. I wouldn't advocate for his ouster if he would have punched Niko and just rung his bell, it's the face fractures that warrant it. Strict liability of punching people in the face applies. That's what got Joe Mixon charged so heavily. By all released accounts, Niko was the instigator and Portis was just defending himself. Niko instigated with a shove, Portis escalated with a blow to the face. That in and of itself would be acceptable, but for the blow causing serious harm. So defending yourself is wrong if you cause serious injury. (Runs over to bump posts of cops who killed people in self defense and your defense of them) Police officers don't have a duty to retreat, and everyone can escalate force to stop a threat which inspires in them a reasonable fear of great bodily harm. None of that applies here, do better.

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Terry's Peeps wrote: kidding JLN BRB, grabbing dox.

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Author:	Brick [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight.

Author:	Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Boilermaker Rick wrote: But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight. Portis feared for his life! He had no choice other than to deliver serious bodily injury to Mirotic. If he had a badge, he would be justified in legally shooting him.

Author:	KDdidit [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Portis should have aimed his punch at his leg or shoulder or something!

Author:	Brick [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight. Of great bodily harm? No. Portis was justified in perceiving an "invitation to brawl", but the force he used in that brawl (as evidenced by broken facial bones) was unwarranted. I can understand that but I don't understand how you can justify the use of deadly force by a police officer against an unarmed citizen as "fearing for their life" if two guys who are roughly the same weight and physically fit don't have the right to claim the same fear.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut.

Author:	IMU [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
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Author:	veganfan21 [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. Not necessarily. We don't know what went down but if two unarmed, equally matched guys get into a fight then all bets are off. If you come at me and we start brawling, you or I may get a fractured face as a result, but I don't think either one of us could complain to the other about that given the circumstances. If i sucker punch you then that's a very different story. Don't know what happened though.

Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Doug Collins influence is already showing

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. Hell no. He punched a guy in a fight.

Author:	Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
The universe might be ending ... I'm willfully posting a Joe Cowley column. https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-suspend-bobby-portis-for-eight-games-after-fight-with-mirotic/ The Bobby Portis punch was a result of more dysfunction in leadership Bobby Portis’ punishment was swift, and it was severe. Less than 24 hours after punching teammate Nikola Mirotic, who was hospitalized and suffered two broken bones in his face and a concussion, the Bulls suspended Portis for eight games. “One player threw a punch, and that punch connected,’’ vice president of basketball operations John Paxson said Wednesday. “For us, that is inexcusable. It’s not who we are.’’ Strong words. Some Bulls, however, considered them hollow. Several players — and even Paxson himself — acknowledged that the Portis-Mirotic conflict had been brewing for a few seasons. The forwards had a handful of shouting and shoving matches in practice going back to the 2015-16 season. Those flames were stoked during the summer and training camp. One player told the Sun-Times that Portis’ actions were viewed as unacceptable but understandable throughout the locker room, especially with the mixed messages coming from coaches and general manager Gar Forman. Portis and young players such as Jerian Grant, Denzel Valentine and Cristiano Felicio were told by Forman in their May exit meetings that the organization expected them to be working at the Advocate Center throughout the summer. The message was hard work would be noticed and rewarded in this new culture. Mirotic, however, was absent from those workouts in the offseason. He was lifting in the weight room but was basically a no-show when it came to playing basketball with teammates. Mirotic did have his reasons. He was a restricted free agent awaiting a contract from the Bulls or another organization. But his distance rubbed teammates the wrong way, and one player said he came across as entitled. Mirotic signed a two-year deal with the Bulls on media day, and within two weeks, he was all but named a starter over Portis. Portis was upset that all the work he put in during the summer was apparently being overlooked, and he didn’t feel like there was proper communication in the decision to make him a bench player. It’s not the first time this lack of communication has been alleged under coach Fred Hoiberg. Joakim Noah and Rajon Rondo also had issues with the way Hoiberg relays messages. That problem, however, lifts the curtain on a bigger issue. Hoiberg — right or wrong — is from the coaching school of delegation. Assistant head coach Jim Boylen handles a lot of the “bad cop’’ duties, and that’s why Rondo threw a towel in Boylen’s face last season and was suspended a game. The problem is many players believe Boylen is simply an extension of Forman and played the role of “fake tough guy’’ — as one player deemed it — to impress Forman in case the Bulls make a coaching change. A source said Boylen charged Portis on Tuesday after he punched Mirotic, and there were immediate concerns that Portis might throw a second punch, this time at Boylen. All of this mistrust and lack of communication falls on Forman’s lap. This is the culture he has spread throughout the organization, using threats and spies to cloud the chain of command. But a source said Forman’s web is starting to unravel. Doug Collins, who was hired this offseason as a special adviser, was visibly upset that the Portis-Mirotic situation had been allowed to fester as long as it has, and he’s starting to question the entire chain of leadership — starting with Forman. Portis apologized to his teammates for his actions. But as one teammate put it, the apology wasn’t even necessary.

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Author:	RFDC [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
If you have never tried to fracture your brothers face, are you really brothers?

Author:	City of Fools [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. the lie detector test determined that was a lie.

Author:	Ron Wolfley [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
FavreFan wrote: So I guess Markannen gets some extra minutes early on now? This is gonna be a disaster. It'll take some time but he's going to be a damn good basketball player.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Terry's Peeps wrote: Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. Hell no. He punched a guy in a fight. How healthy is it to have a guy on your team who almost killed his teammate? Especially a guy who sucks.

Author:	KDdidit [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Nas wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. Hell no. He punched a guy in a fight. How healthy is it to have a guy on your team who almost killed his teammate? Especially a guy who sucks. Why should it matter that Niko sucks!

Author:	veganfan21 [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Nas wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. Hell no. He punched a guy in a fight. How healthy is it to have a guy on your team who almost killed his teammate? Especially a guy who sucks. Gotta envy mirotic. Guy apparently starts something with a bench player on a rookie contract, loses the fight, and then becomes the sympathetic one in this whole mess.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
veganfan21 wrote: Nas wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. Hell no. He punched a guy in a fight. How healthy is it to have a guy on your team who almost killed his teammate? Especially a guy who sucks. Gotta envy mirotic. Guy apparently starts something with a bench player on a rookie contract, loses the fight, and then becomes the sympathetic one in this whole mess. I would be willing to bet Portis started it. A guy like Mirotic is an easy target.

Author:	KDdidit [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Most of the reports say Niko started it, some say they both did, but none that I've seen say Portis started it. No idea why the Bulls would want to protect Portis and not Mirotic, unless of course, the Bulls front office is a dumpster fire. No one would believe that though.

Author:	RFDC [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Quote: Nikola Mirotic shoved Bobby Portis multiple times before Portis responded. Paxson: “I wouldn’t call it a sucker punch at all. They were both aggressive leading up to it. But Bobby crossed a line.”

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Yeah, if you shove a guy aggressively and then he knocks you the fuck out that's not a sucker punch.

Author:	'77Cubs [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
FavreFan wrote: Yeah, if you shove a guy aggressively and then he knocks you the fuck out that's not a sucker punch. Not at all.

Author:	312player [ Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: But can't Portis claim the same fear? He is listed as only 9 pounds heavier than Mirotic and we know that all Europeans can fight. Of great bodily harm? No. Portis was justified in perceiving an "invitation to brawl", but the force he used in that brawl (as evidenced by broken facial bones) was unwarranted. If you shove somebody you should expect to get cracked in the face.

Author:	IMU [ Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bobby Portis
veganfan21 wrote: Nas wrote: Fighting a teammate is supposed to be like fighting your brother. I have never tried to put my brother to sleep or fracture his face. Portis should be cut. Not necessarily. We don't know what went down but if two unarmed, equally matched guys get into a fight then all bets are off. If you come at me and we start brawling, you or I may get a fractured face as a result, but I don't think either one of us could complain to the other about that given the circumstances. If i sucker punch you then that's a very different story. Don't know what happened though. Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Would your suicide vest count as you being unarmed?