By choice though, because a lot of voters do actually like what is happening with their politicians. I mean, I was pretty much on my own on here in wanting a $15 minimum wage.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This whole discussion was about laws. The lawmakers are elected.

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THE HELL YOU WERE!

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Free puppies!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's not a complaint, it's just a statement in response to yours.


I didnt start a thread bitching about powerful wealthy people. Im just reacting to your absurd statement that the middle class have more power than the wealthy.

They do. They just don't use it the way you think they should.

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That is strength, boy! That is power!

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No, they dont.

As a block, they can affect elections but as Leash pointed out, that is not the endgame or final say on power.

And as I said earlier, there are certainly many politicians who have had good ideas. They get voted in, the wealthy powerful people corrupt them or they get voted out. Rinse and repeat with the common theme being, do what the powerful people say or be gone.

At that point, doesn't seem like the middle class ever had more power, does it?

I think we may have found the disconnect.

The wage will be what the powerful says it will be. Whether the middle class guy likes it or not, that is the way it be.

Couldn't the same be said of women? They have no complaints.

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Who is talking about complaints?

Women could be a nearly unstoppable voting block if they wanted to be also but just like a lot of middle class people, a lot of women agree with the Republicans on women's rights.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So basically women have a beef with other women? Do I have that right? I'm having trouble understanding you since you're probably so hopped up on free caffeine that you glommed off some other bad middle class person at a Starbuck's drive-thru.

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His mind is not for rent to any God or government.

My point is that many middle class people actually agree with and want the agenda pushed by the "rich who buy and sell every national politician". One of the reasons, that isn't all that nice to say, is that when they get cheaper goods and services by suppressing wages and benefits to poor people they are slightly better off. They don't want a cheeseburger to cost a dollar more even if it the result is the worker makes a livable wage.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So, what poor people did you rob to pay for your private jet trips around the country?

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Was he craven when doing it?

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I'm not going to list their names in this forum.

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His mind is not for rent to any God or government.

So Doc is guilty under the "Fallacy of composition" then.

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That's not true. If the middle class and poor united and wanted the same things those things would get done tomorrow.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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YUp if the masses put aside the false black vs white vs brown shit the 1% would fall in a heartbeat.

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Is whoever's behind this mult making a Charlatans UK reference? I suspect JORR.

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I disagree. It would take years, several election cycles and tons of changes to the law.

But that premise is so far fetched in our current climate, it's barely worth considering.

I think you are ignoring the fact that a good portion of middle class voters don't want it to change. I mean, even the Democrats chose Hillary Clinton by a large margin over Bernie Sanders.

It just seems like you are unwilling to admit that it isn't just the rich that have the control and that the middle class wishes they had a way to fight against them but they chose not to do so.

Now, don't get me wrong, the rich do have a lot of power, but this power comes in large part from the middle class being willing to go along with them.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's closer to what I believe.

I guess you guys are right, that in theory the middle class could have the power by voting, but we are so far down the rabbit hole of middle class demonizing the poor (on behalf of the rich) that it's almost worthless to think about.

Most middle class people are more upset about link cards than corporate welfare etc.

But the fact still remains that the rich control politicians. So even if you vote in the good ones, there is a strong chance they will have the choice of falling in line or being replaced.