Wouldn't you say this all started when Students for a Democratic Society declared that labor unions could no longer be the standard bearer of the left and it had to be the university? I mean, they replaced adults with children. Now we have the worst of both worlds: unions have no power and everyone's feelings get hurt.

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I would say it’s directly related to not keeping score in children’s soccer and tee ball.

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movement from class and ses (both of which include other stuff) to identity only. coupled with the blindness of a party ruled by elites in out-ring suburbs or chic city areas.

was a mistake.

I feel like there was a divergence sometime in the last 10 years where the left had to decide between Mike Rowe and Anita Sarkeesian, and once they made that choice they had to stick with it. I dont see a way out. The apologies are out from the other professor and university and its bullshit. They are sorry this was recorded, not sorry for what they said.

Shepherd, the TA, is not taking their shit.

https://twitter.com/NewWorldHominin

For years, many on the Left rightly criticized the Right for focusing on stupid social issues no one gives two shits about. But somehow, they managed to not only co-opt that mindset but to be even more extreme about it. Normal people don’t give a fuck about this stuff... until it gets so extreme that they actually start trampling the rights of others.

Having been a politics major in college when the Right was doing it, I was acutely aware of how stupid the Right had become. I hadn’t realized until the last couple of years how bad the Left had become. I just wasn’t as in tune to things.

Now, they are both so idiotic (the Left even more so) that we have a president who needs caretakers to make sure he doesn’t shit himself and threaten to nuke other countries. But he is not the disease. He is one of the symptoms of the disease.

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I love when America goes full angry white man with his rants. Nobody needs safe spaces more than angry young white men who feel they are being oppressed.

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You are part of the problem.

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Nah I'm not angry. It's probably unhealthy to think as much about this shit as some do.

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His mind is not for rent to any God or government.

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Before Freddie deBoer went and committed himself, he was really good at pointing out that a lot of this is because universities have too many administrators.

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They won't let him attend.

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Hard to "engage with arguments" with someone who is racist though.

Guy 1: I think black people are subhuman.

Guy 2: I don't think they are but that's a valid perspective certainly!

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Is this a serious comment?

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Is this a serious question?

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The point is that these people aren’t racists.

Let me know the next time a speaker comes to a university and says that black people are subhuman. Then we can discuss.

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Who are "these people"? It seems odd to try to speak for every incident like they're all the same.

But I was just pointing that out because you've criticized calling actual racist people racist in the past so I didn't know if this was one of those things again.

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This thread is about a very specific type of person who, when they don’t get their way, resort to name calling.

Here’s an epiphany for you: you are racist.

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It doesn't surprise me that you'd try to change the conversation to the subconscious. We both know I'm not within the context of this discussion.

People who, when they don't get their way, resort to name calling are annoying. But your response to that seems to be that it's never ok to call someone a racist or white supremacist even when it's the truth. That's a strange response, imo.

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No ... what I mean is the extreme feminists/SJWs/whatevers will possibly make the world even more unlivable that we think it is now ... both extreme factions hate facts unless they're "their facts" ... the problem is it's kinda hard to envision level-headed sensible folk deciding "enough of you morons fucking it up for us" and blowing them all to Kingdom Come.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Nah. What this type of person is doing has nothing to do with knowledge, knowledge-generation, or rhetoric; it has to do with power and people who already think they have the answers.

It's not an argument. There's no way to respond. That's anti-learning.

That is an unpleasant outcome.

Infidelity, abuse and divorce demean marriage. They don't make it special.

Do you pick the worst possible decision as an example for everything you do, or just in the case of marriage?

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I’m not saying you use it as a weapon. I just think there are many who do. The word has practically lost all meaning. A racist used to be someone who literally came out and pledged their allegiance to their ethnicity above all other ethnicities. Italians hated Jews. Jews hated Africans. Irish hated Protestants and other sober people.

Now, a racist is someone who doesn’t agree with affirmative action or thinks people should stand for the national anthem or even begins to question whether a cop fired his gun out of self-defense or his hatred of minorities. It’s become absurd, and the word is nothing but a weapon anymore. It’s also used as an impediment to free speech. All one has to do is yell “racist!” to get someone suspended, if not fired, from their job.

Your example perfectly encapsulates the mindset, IMO. You have to use an extreme example of someone saying blacks are subhuman (something I can’t even say I’ve ever heard in my life on a serious level) to defend calling someone racist. When that actually happens at a major speech in 2017, you let me know and we can figure out how to drown out that guy’s voice.

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Do you honestly not understand what he said or are you intentionally misrepresenting it?

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I'm not concerned with drowning out the guys voice. I just also have no problem with calling someone who espouses bigoted opinions a bigot or racist or whatever.

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You tell him FF.

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I'll let you finish setting him straight on the sanctity of marriage first. That's more important.

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