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Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.


Rhetoric is center left and results are center right. This country started swinging right with Kennedy and it hasn't stopped.

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I'm not talking about the Radical Marxist Left. I'm talking about what most people consider the Left.


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The Democrats haven't been the sharpest tools in the shed but Sessions going after weed is a terrible look from the GOP. Its like they are racing to the bottom to see who sucks more.

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Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.

I will feel bad for most people stranded in the USA when shit goes south, but watching people like you still stammer to defend this garbage suffer through it will be a bit cathartic.

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The Democrats haven't been the sharpest tools in the shed but Sessions going after weed is a terrible look from the GOP. Its like they are racing to the bottom to see who sucks more.

OH NO NOT OUR PRECIOUS DRUG THAT IS BASICALLY LEGAL ANYWAYS

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The Democrats haven't been the sharpest tools in the shed but Sessions going after weed is a terrible look from the GOP. Its like they are racing to the bottom to see who sucks more.

OH NO NOT OUR PRECIOUS DRUG THAT IS BASICALLY LEGAL ANYWAYS


So its basically legal but the AG wants law enforcement to go after it :?

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It IS legal in some states, and IS legal with certain credentials elsewhere, and the GOP is still going after it.

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Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.

I will feel bad for most people stranded in the USA when shit goes south, but watching people like you still stammer to defend this garbage suffer through it will be a bit cathartic.

France's unemployment rate is 9.8% at a time of general global prosperity and you think it's the USA that is going south. :lol:

Your cross Channel neighbors are at 4.2% and Germany is at 3.7% for comps.

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Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.

I will feel bad for most people stranded in the USA when shit goes south, but watching people like you still stammer to defend this garbage suffer through it will be a bit cathartic.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.

I will feel bad for most people stranded in the USA when shit goes south, but watching people like you still stammer to defend this garbage suffer through it will be a bit cathartic.

France's unemployment rate is 9.8% at a time of general global prosperity and you think it's the USA that is going south. :lol:

Your cross Channel neighbors are at 4.2% and Germany is at 3.7% for comps.

He doesn't care. He doesn't work.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.

I will feel bad for most people stranded in the USA when shit goes south, but watching people like you still stammer to defend this garbage suffer through it will be a bit cathartic.

France's unemployment rate is 9.8% at a time of general global prosperity and you think it's the USA that is going south. :lol:

Your cross Channel neighbors are at 4.2% and Germany is at 3.7% for comps.

Ok then go to Germany. Its a common market, if you can live and work in France you can live and work anywhere in the EU. Obviously that wont apply to the UK much longer, but I'm sure I'll manage.

France has its own issues, but French people do not hate themselves. They do not want to see France destroyed because some people's feelings are hurt. For that reason alone their station is infinitely better than that of the pathetic Americans who cheer gleefully while they eat themselves.

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The people who voted for Trump last time will do so again in 2 years.

They're not ashamed of him. They like how he communicates and what he says. They like how he makes them feel. And most of all, they like how upset the Left is at every thing he says or does. It has emboldened his base.

The American Left is the worst at politics. You lost a Presidential election to the guy from The Apprentice. And instead of learning any lesson from that embarrassment, they are doubling down on what lost them the last election.

Instead of treating every insane tweet and proclamation as the end of the world, ignore it. Politics isn't a war. And the Left can't treat it like one. Because the Right is far better at it. So Democrats continue to lose.

Local representation, governorships, House and Senate. Democrats have lost so much. Yet they continue on the same path.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Try to be leaders. Develop policy that is fiscally sound and easily communicable. Let the President act like a crazy person. Be leaders.

Or get ready for another bad time.


We've been through this before. And in the bastion of the American "left", California.

Another right wing moron led a "grassroots" movement, became chief executive and was supposed to signal the end of the Democratic party. He nearly wrecked the state, then embarrassed the state right into the arms of Gov. Jerry Brown.

And noted car thief Darrell Issa is still upset over his snubbing there and istaking it out on the rest of the country.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
America wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.

I will feel bad for most people stranded in the USA when shit goes south, but watching people like you still stammer to defend this garbage suffer through it will be a bit cathartic.

France's unemployment rate is 9.8% at a time of general global prosperity and you think it's the USA that is going south. :lol:

Your cross Channel neighbors are at 4.2% and Germany is at 3.7% for comps.

He doesn't care. He doesn't work.

I know, he's a literal leech on society. Thankfully he is Europe's problem now.

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The people who voted for Trump last time will do so again in 2 years.

They're not ashamed of him. They like how he communicates and what he says. They like how he makes them feel. And most of all, they like how upset the Left is at every thing he says or does. It has emboldened his base.

The American Left is the worst at politics. You lost a Presidential election to the guy from The Apprentice. And instead of learning any lesson from that embarrassment, they are doubling down on what lost them the last election.

Instead of treating every insane tweet and proclamation as the end of the world, ignore it. Politics isn't a war. And the Left can't treat it like one. Because the Right is far better at it. So Democrats continue to lose.

Local representation, governorships, House and Senate. Democrats have lost so much. Yet they continue on the same path.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Try to be leaders. Develop policy that is fiscally sound and easily communicable. Let the President act like a crazy person. Be leaders.

Or get ready for another bad time.


We've been through this before. And in the bastion of the American "left", California.

Another right wing moron led a "grassroots" movement, became chief executive and was supposed to signal the end of the Democratic party. He nearly wrecked the state, then embarrassed the state right into the arms of Gov. Jerry Brown.

And noted car thief Darrell Issa is still upset over his snubbing there and istaking it out on the rest of the country.



The Democratic Party lost power because it moved to the right, not the left.


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I know, he's a literal leech on society. Thankfully he is Europe's problem now.

Dont worry I'll be back in the USA for the summer.

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The Democratic Party lost power because it moved to the right, not the left.


It moved to the right on economic issues. It moved WAAAAAY left on social issues.


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You have to ask yourself what there is to lose.

this
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You want to be here for that? You think that'll end well for you?

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Peeps is exactly right. The far left is incredibly ignorant about how to appeal to the other 80% of society.


The Democratic Party has no connection to "the left," far, near, or otherwise.

I will feel bad for most people stranded in the USA when shit goes south, but watching people like you still stammer to defend this garbage suffer through it will be a bit cathartic.

France's unemployment rate is 9.8% at a time of general global prosperity and you think it's the USA that is going south. :lol:

Your cross Channel neighbors are at 4.2% and Germany is at 3.7% for comps.

Ok then go to Germany. Its a common market, if you can live and work in France you can live and work anywhere in the EU. Obviously that wont apply to the UK much longer, but I'm sure I'll manage.

France has its own issues, but French people do not hate themselves. They do not want to see France destroyed because some people's feelings are hurt. For that reason alone their station is infinitely better than that of the pathetic Americans who cheer gleefully while they eat themselves.


They just don't think enough of themselves to procreate enough to keep pace with their mortality rate.

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Democrats are recruiting women because they vote more than men in mid term elections and republicans have openly shit on them and every minority group in this country. To the delight of poor/working class whites who have gotten shit on as well but love the way ignorance makes them feel. Look no futher than the repulsive candidates that republicans are running in many places in the country. Inclusiveness and decency will ultimately prevail.

Besides outside oc Biden no democrat has a shot in 2020. May as well play the long game.
They should recruit women. Telling me, someone who would easily vote for the 2020 Democratic candidate over Trump, that basically I'm the problem with the country time and time again is poor politics. I think I'm one of the few non hardcore Democrats on here openly hoping that Trump gets impeached and yet when I read things like that I can't help but think that it's in my best interest to vote FOR Trump.

Maybe white men don't matter any more which is fine if they can pull it off but it seems a strange tactic.

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With a democratic president and House and Senate the democrats spend a year trying to get republicans to pass a healthcare bill. The republicans don't help and the democrats pass a mostly 90's republican healthcare bill that is IMMEDIATELY shit on by republicans. Republicans get the presidency and the legislative branch and the say fuck democrats and pass their tax bill in a month.

Republicans are ruthless and so much better at politics than democrats. They do whatever they need to do to win when they're in power and democrats do enough to lose.

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Democrats are recruiting women because they vote more than men in mid term elections and republicans have openly shit on them and every minority group in this country. To the delight of poor/working class whites who have gotten shit on as well but love the way ignorance makes them feel. Look no futher than the repulsive candidates that republicans are running in many places in the country. Inclusiveness and decency will ultimately prevail.

Besides outside oc Biden no democrat has a shot in 2020. May as well play the long game.
They should recruit women. Telling me, someone who would easily vote for the 2020 Democratic candidate over Trump, that basically I'm the problem with the country time and time again is poor politics. I think I'm one of the few non hardcore Democrats on here openly hoping that Trump gets impeached and yet when I read things like that I can't help but think that it's in my best interest to vote FOR Trump.

Maybe white men don't matter any more which is fine if they can pull it off but it seems a strange tactic.


There's also the problem that the Democratic Party's version of gender politics appeals largely to women who are members of the professional-managerial class. Consequently, the party is dividing the electorate along gendered lines while pursuing a political strategy that largely appeals to affluent, educated women while failing to engage with working-class women. Ordinarily, this could not be considered a winning approach, but it may nevertheless succeed due to the Trump anomaly. It should be noted, though, that uneducated white women voted heavily for Trump in 2016.


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Democrats are recruiting women because they vote more than men in mid term elections and republicans have openly shit on them and every minority group in this country. To the delight of poor/working class whites who have gotten shit on as well but love the way ignorance makes them feel. Look no futher than the repulsive candidates that republicans are running in many places in the country. Inclusiveness and decency will ultimately prevail.

Besides outside oc Biden no democrat has a shot in 2020. May as well play the long game.
They should recruit women. Telling me, someone who would easily vote for the 2020 Democratic candidate over Trump, that basically I'm the problem with the country time and time again is poor politics. I think I'm one of the few non hardcore Democrats on here openly hoping that Trump gets impeached and yet when I read things like that I can't help but think that it's in my best interest to vote FOR Trump.

Maybe white men don't matter any more which is fine if they can pull it off but it seems a strange tactic.


Recruiting women isn't saying that men don't matter. I'm not offended by the pitch. It's like being upset in October because the focus is on breast cancer and yelling "Prostate Cancer Matters too".

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It seems pretty rare for one to discuss the general Trump voter demographics without the qualifier "uneducated" making an appearance.

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It seems pretty rare for one to discuss the general Trump voter demographics without the qualifier "uneducated" making an appearance.

he knew the audience he was pitching to.

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Democrats are recruiting women because they vote more than men in mid term elections and republicans have openly shit on them and every minority group in this country. To the delight of poor/working class whites who have gotten shit on as well but love the way ignorance makes them feel. Look no futher than the repulsive candidates that republicans are running in many places in the country. Inclusiveness and decency will ultimately prevail.

Besides outside oc Biden no democrat has a shot in 2020. May as well play the long game.
They should recruit women. Telling me, someone who would easily vote for the 2020 Democratic candidate over Trump, that basically I'm the problem with the country time and time again is poor politics. I think I'm one of the few non hardcore Democrats on here openly hoping that Trump gets impeached and yet when I read things like that I can't help but think that it's in my best interest to vote FOR Trump.

Maybe white men don't matter any more which is fine if they can pull it off but it seems a strange tactic.


Recruiting women isn't saying that men don't matter. I'm not offended by the pitch. It's like being upset in October because the focus is on breast cancer and yelling "Prostate Cancer Matters too".

Except the core demands of the feminist left are
-criminalizing masculinity
-gender quota's in the workplace
-required seats in government

Your stupid comparison falls completely flat.

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There's also the problem that the Democratic Party's version of gender politics appeals largely to women who are members of the professional-managerial class. Consequently, the party is dividing the electorate along gendered lines while pursuing a political strategy that largely appeals to affluent, educated women while failing to engage with working-class women. Ordinarily, this could not be considered a winning approach, but it may nevertheless succeed due to the Trump anomaly. It should be noted, though, that uneducated white women voted heavily for Trump in 2016.

I hate +1/This./This guy gets it posts but I don't know what else to add here.

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There's also the problem that the Democratic Party's version of gender politics appeals largely to women who are members of the professional-managerial class. Consequently, the party is dividing the electorate along gendered lines while pursuing a political strategy that largely appeals to affluent, educated women while failing to engage with working-class women. Ordinarily, this could not be considered a winning approach, but it may nevertheless succeed due to the Trump anomaly. It should be noted, though, that uneducated white women voted heavily for Trump in 2016.
I agree.

Another thing I'll add is that there is another side effect of the gender/identity politics. If you are a person who they are attracting, but you have a husband and kids that would be part of the "enemy class" then doesn't that cause you to think about what the future is of your family? Ultimately, you want your closest family to be successful too, so when someone seems to be prioritizing "LGBT women" over the rest of your family, and then also doesn't even mention "white women" which you happen to be then why not wonder if the party doesn't care about you either?

And yes, that comes off as a "let's cry for white people" stance, but it's also a real thing to think about when you want to be an ally but you are being told you, or most of the people in your life, are the "enemy".

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They've realized it and are starting to really drive the point that Natalie Portman has so much in common with the quasi-slave she forces to clean her sheets for $7.75 a day. I'm sure it'll work too.

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