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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:33 pm 
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Are you serious?

Whoever wrote that kept repeating that he doesn’t know anything, and the one parallel he drew was to Pederson, one of the top candidates for coach of the year this year. :lol:
I think it's questionable how much of an impact he had on the Chiefs offense given that he started playcalling in week 13, and seemingly their is visual proof of Reid still calling plays.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Are you serious?

Whoever wrote that kept repeating that he doesn’t know anything, and the one parallel he drew was to Pederson, one of the top candidates for coach of the year this year. :lol:
I think it's questionable how much of an impact he had on the Chiefs offense given that he started playcalling in week 13, and seemingly their is visual proof of Reid still calling plays.

That’s fine. The same questions were around Pederson. He did alright.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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So when we thought he called the wildcard game, it was concerning since they blew it and got shutout in the second half. Now that there is visual evidence to the contrary, it’s also concerning because he didn’t call plays.

Your concern troll game is strong.

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So when we thought he called the wildcard game, it was concerning since they blew it and got shutout in the second half. Now that there is visual evidence to the contrary, it’s also concerning because he didn’t call plays.

Your concern troll game is strong.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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So when we thought he called the wildcard game, it was concerning since they blew it and got shutout in the second half. Now that there is visual evidence to the contrary, it’s also concerning because he didn’t call plays.

Your concern troll game is strong.
Intentionally not understanding the point here.

It's concerning if Andy Reid, who trusted him enough to call plays, did not trust him enough to call plays in the playoffs. It could be that he actually just wanted to try and do a good worker for him a solid by making him a "playcaller" late in the year to help with his job search.

It's pretty amazing that you seem to be the most sensitive to "How can you question anything about this hire?" when you aren't even a Bears fan and would be very happy if they went 0-16 every year.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So when we thought he called the wildcard game, it was concerning since they blew it and got shutout in the second half. Now that there is visual evidence to the contrary, it’s also concerning because he didn’t call plays.

Your concern troll game is strong.
Intentionally not understanding the point here.

It's concerning if Andy Reid, who trusted him enough to call plays, did not trust him enough to call plays in the playoffs. It could be that he actually just wanted to try and do a good worker for him a solid by making him a "playcaller" late in the year to help with his job search.

It's pretty amazing that you seem to be the most sensitive to "How can you question anything about this hire?" when you aren't even a Bears fan and would be very happy if they went 0-16 every year.

I'm not being sensitive. You're just making a very poor case.

The bold part is not concerning. The underlined part also applied to one of the best head coaches in the NFL this season last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:48 pm 
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Intentionally not understanding the point here.
You forgot the "I am" at the beginning of this statement.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So when we thought he called the wildcard game, it was concerning since they blew it and got shutout in the second half. Now that there is visual evidence to the contrary, it’s also concerning because he didn’t call plays.

Your concern troll game is strong.
Intentionally not understanding the point here.

It's concerning if Andy Reid, who trusted him enough to call plays, did not trust him enough to call plays in the playoffs. It could be that he actually just wanted to try and do a good worker for him a solid by making him a "playcaller" late in the year to help with his job search.

It's pretty amazing that you seem to be the most sensitive to "How can you question anything about this hire?" when you aren't even a Bears fan and would be very happy if they went 0-16 every year.

I'm not being sensitive. You're just making a very poor case.

The bold part is not concerning. The underlined part also applied to one of the best head coaches in the NFL this season last year.
I don't think it's concerning that he started calling plays in week 13. I preferred a candidate with no playcalling experience. It was brought up because Frank asked about it.

So, Andy Reid, that publicly handed over playcalling to Nagy in week 13, may have stripped him of it in week 18. No reason to find that slightly concerning?

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I understand what Rick is saying and have no issue with it. I think MANY just want to argue with him for not completely agree with the majority.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

So, Andy Reid, that publicly handed over playcalling to Nagy in week 13, may have stripped him of it in week 18. No reason to find that slightly concerning?

I don't think so. It makes sense to me that a head coach, especially one as established and successful as Reid, would want to resume more control in the most important game of the season. Considering the Chiefs results from Week 13-17 were very strong, it clearly could not have been an indictment of Nagy.

Either way, I think many people are grasping at straws either way on this. I don't think they had a realistic shot at McDaniels, and even if they did, no candidate out there is anything close to a sure bet. All the candidates were mostly unknowns or had questions about them in some way. I just don't think any of us know enough about the behind the scenes of the league to have a strong, qualified opinion on this. Seems like an alright hire to me. Doesn't to you. We'll see.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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FavreFan wrote:
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So, Andy Reid, that publicly handed over playcalling to Nagy in week 13, may have stripped him of it in week 18. No reason to find that slightly concerning?

I don't think so. It makes sense to me that a head coach, especially one as established and successful as Reid, would want to resume more control in the most important game of the season. Considering the Chiefs results from Week 13-17 were very strong, it clearly could not have been an indictment of Nagy.

Either way, I think many people are grasping at straws either way on this. I don't think they had a realistic shot at McDaniels, and even if they did, no candidate out there is anything close to a sure bet. All the candidates were mostly unknowns or had questions about them in some way. I just don't think any of us know enough about the behind the scenes of the league to have a strong, qualified opinion on this. Seems like an alright hire to me. Doesn't to you. We'll see.
I describe the hire as underwhelming. I wouldn't call it bad. I mean, even I've said that he could become Andy Reid which would certainly be considered a good hire.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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Yeah, every candidate is underwhelming. Defillipo for obvious reasons and McDaniels, the consensus best candidate, has a resume that can very easily be picked apart.

Nagy seems as good as any. Certainly better than the last two Bear hires. I don't get the consternation.

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People thought Mike McCarthy was a shit hire back in 2005. It was blasted in league circles.


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People thought Mike McCarthy was a shit hire back in 2005. It was blasted in league circles.

People were right. He's the luckiest coach in the history of sports.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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Yeah, every candidate is underwhelming. Defillipo for obvious reasons and McDaniels, the consensus best candidate, has a resume that can very easily be picked apart.

Nagy seems as good as any. Certainly better than the last two Bear hires. I don't get the consternation.
McDaniels would not be underwhelming. The Patriots want him to take over for Belichick. The issue is when that would be and if he wants to wait around.

DeFillipo has a much better resume. Oh, and it looks like DeFillipo has a year of NFL playcalling experience, though it was the Browns but they don't really count.

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People thought Mike McCarthy was a shit hire back in 2005. It was blasted in league circles.

People were right. He's the luckiest coach in the history of sports.


No that would be Ditka.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Yeah, every candidate is underwhelming. Defillipo for obvious reasons and McDaniels, the consensus best candidate, has a resume that can very easily be picked apart.

Nagy seems as good as any. Certainly better than the last two Bear hires. I don't get the consternation.
McDaniels would not be underwhelming. The Patriots want him to take over for Belichick. The issue is when that would be and if he wants to wait around.

DeFillipo has a much better resume. Oh, and it looks like DeFillipo has a year of NFL playcalling experience, though it was the Browns but they don't really count.

I liked McDaniels 10 years ago and still like him as a candidate, but his resume is objectively underwhelming. When he didn't have the greatest quarterback in history and didn't work under the best coach in history he fell flat on his face. When he was gone, the Patriots offense didn't miss him.

Edit; DeFillipo does not have a better resume. His one year of playcalling his offense was awful. The credit he gets for Carr(who again is worse than Alex Smith right now) and Wentz is really all you can go on, and it's nebulous at best.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears fans
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Every hire that does not have experience (and a track record) as a head coach requires a leap of faith.

When you think about it, coordinator instills very few of the most important qualities required to be a good head coach.

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The more I hear about the man the more Iike. He's a high character guy, hard worker, genuine and a players coach. The kind of guy you root for. Hopefully he'll make us a winner again.

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