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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:08 pm 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP54guVj_XE

The goal is a touch smaller


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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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I mean we can post highlights of any sport to make them look good. I’ve see some great curling shots.


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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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I mean we can post highlights of any sport to make them look good. I’ve see some great curling shots.

I googled Top 20 goals. Three or four of them were as athletic as NBA basketball plays. Two of them were by Messi. So I'll give him his athletic props. Flow, rhythm, skill, quickness, accuracy. He can really fuck people up.

I will allow him to be in the team picture.


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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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It seems to have gone out of style but it was funny for a while when they were like "Soccer players run almost 7 miles a game!". You know who else runs almost 7 miles? Accountants and lawyers doing a Thanksgiving morning "Turkey Trot" 10k.

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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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How do the most physically superior athletes from each of the sport compare to one another:

LBJ probably the best combination of size, speed, strength, and agility. A soccer player may be faster and a football player may be slightly stronger, perhaps a linebacker in particular, but I'm not sure if any athlete combines all these traits in one package like LBJ and other basketball players do.


I can accept that the top 1% of athletes are basketball players. But there simply aren't very many 6'7" guys that are as coordinated as even a "mediocre" soccer player on the elite level. If you want to say that LeBron and a few others are the best athletes in the world, I'm not going to argue. But it quickly goes down hill from there as the typical big basketball player isn't anywhere near as athletic as an average soccer player. More often than not, outside a basketball court his size is limiting.

The pool of soccer players is simply so much larger than any other sport. To get to the top, you have to pass a lot of guys.


What coordination is needed in soccer that isn't in basketball? It's just the difference between hands and feet. LeBron probably can't dribble his way through a college level soccer defense but the best soccer players would also be embarrassed if they ever had to bring the ball up against a college level basketball player.


I see that as a matter of practice. Coordination is coordination. I'm sure Messi could figure out how to dribble with his hands if his sport required it. And I'm sure Steph Curry could probably dribble with his feet if he needed to.

But I think we need to define what we mean by "athletic." Obviously size and speed are components of athleticism. But in what measure? LeBron James is extremely coordinated for a 6'8" guy. You don't expect him to handle the ball like Allen Iverson. I don't want to get into a conversation where the same people who usually say Shaq "is just big" are now stating that size is the overriding factor in athleticism.


I'd submit the following as universal metrics for athleticism:

Flexibility
Dexterity
Hand eye coordination
Speed and strength (together on purpose)
Vertical jump

I think you've already agreed but I see basketball players regardless of size meeting most of these points; some achieve all.

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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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This is an amateur about ten levels below a World Cup player and this is better than anything Justin Fields ever dreamed of doing.


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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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My favorite part is how he just ran in a straight line and the 4 defenders couldn't even touch the ball.

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Maybe it would be more impressive if he rode a bike?

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He bounced the ball off their feet instead of what Justin fields does, bouncing passes off people’s heads.


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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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The soccer guy could probably pass for 200 yards.


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My favorite part is how he just ran in a straight line and the 4 defenders couldn't even touch the ball.

And they all were as slow as piss. Just like most of the World Cup "teams".

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I wonder if Ray Lewis could have stopped him?

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JORR and RR now carrying their feud into the most popular sport in the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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My favorite part is how he just ran in a straight line and the 4 defenders couldn't even touch the ball.

And they all were as slow as piss. Just like most of the World Cup "teams".


It's just ridiculous. No one in the NFL is as fast as Kylian Mbappé. And soccer players run all day. An NFL punt returner goes for a touchdown and they have to put him on oxygen for twenty minutes.

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i bet on Germany- Japan this morning and lost so fuck all this shit


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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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"Great athletes." They can't even breathe on their own. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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My favorite part is how he just ran in a straight line and the 4 defenders couldn't even touch the ball.

And they all were as slow as piss. Just like most of the World Cup "teams".


It's just ridiculous. No one in the NFL is as fast as Kylian Mbappé. And soccer players run all day. An NFL punt returner goes for a touchdown and they have to put him on oxygen for twenty minutes.

:lol: i dont think I have ever seen a punt returner on oxygen , but that is pretty funny

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 Post subject: Re: Soccer
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NFL athletes aren't the best in the world either. The sport is small bursts of intense energy. Of course they get tired. That's the optimal way to compete. Most of soccer is jogging back and forth watching someone else have the ball.

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What kind of athletes have to huddle before they do anything. Sounds pretty nerdy.


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I don't want to hear about what a "great athlete" you are when playing your sport at the optimal level for a short burst requires you to sit on the sidelines for ten minutes with an assisted breathing device.


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NFL athletes aren't the best in the world either. The sport is small bursts of intense energy. Of course they get tired. That's the optimal way to compete. Most of soccer is jogging back and forth watching someone else have the ball.


It depends what you're being asked to do with your athleticism, right? Maybe NFL players won't win any endurance challenges, except maybe WRs, backfield folks and a few LBs. But if you place soccer players, football players, hockey players, and baseball players in something more wide ranging like a NFL draft combine environment, I think that might be a better way to see which athletes come out on top.

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I don't want to hear about what a "great athlete" you are when playing your sport at the optimal level for a short burst requires you to sit on the sidelines for ten minutes with an assisted breathing device.


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They aren't great athletes either. They don't even play half the game.

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"Great athletes." They can't even breathe on their own. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Don't let the lazy in your Twitter feed lead you even further out to left field. Players at Mile High stadium and an older player who runs, engages and tackles real athletes often need oxygen. Only African distance runners don't rely on it.

Soccer participants get their rest writhing on the grass after jogging 20 yards, then flopping.

And since you don't know much about football, you clearly don't understand that there are several NFL players that actually have world class speed for something other than crying after the joke flops that dominate their little game.

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Soccer participants get their rest writhing on the grass after jogging 20 yards, then flopping.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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NFL athletes aren't the best in the world either. The sport is small bursts of intense energy. Of course they get tired. That's the optimal way to compete. Most of soccer is jogging back and forth watching someone else have the ball.


It depends what you're being asked to do with your athleticism, right? Maybe NFL players won't win any endurance challenges, except maybe WRs, backfield folks and a few LBs. But if you place soccer players, football players, hockey players, and baseball players in something more wide ranging like a NFL draft combine environment, I think that might be a better way to see which athletes come out on top.



That gets back to the criteria for establishing the "best" athlete. You can adjust the rules/parameters to favor those with certain attributes.

For example, I don't know if you would call Cal Ripken or Ozzie Smith the better athlete. If they had played in the huge parks of the 40s/50s when batters tried to put everything in play, I have no doubt that Smith's skillset establishes him as the superior athlete. But if they were playing today when there are less balls in play than ever and all the parks are small turning Ripken's 1955 warning track fly into a 2022 homerun, the answer might be different.

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This is an amateur about ten levels below a World Cup player and this is better than anything Justin Fields ever dreamed of doing.



all of that was completely luck


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