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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:43 pm 
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I always think the vaccination debate would make a good Three Stooges routine.

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I always think the vaccination debate would make a good Three Stooges routine.


Aren’t they all dead? Maybe they weren’t vaccinated!

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I can't believe people actually use this episode of The Brady Bunch as "proof" that the measles vaccine isn't necessary. I don't think it was intended to be medical advice.

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'Brady Bunch' Episode Fuels Campaigns Against Vaccines — And Marcia's Miffed

As the number of measles cases nationwide rises to levels not seen since before the virus was declared eliminated in 2000, some people who oppose vaccines cite an odd cultural reference as evidence that the concern about measles is overblown: a 1969 episode of The Brady Bunch.

Some former Brady Bunch cast members aren't happy about it.

The episode "Is There a Doctor in the House?" features the whole family sick with measles. First, Peter gets sent home from school. Mother Carol Brady, played by Florence Henderson, describes his symptoms as "a slight temperature, a lot of dots and a great big smile," because he gets to stay home from school for a few days.

Once the rest of the six kids come down with measles, the youngest two Brady siblings fool around, with Bobby trying to color Cindy's measles spots green.

"If you have to get sick, sure can't beat the measles," sister Marcia says, as the older Bradys sit around a Monopoly board on one of the kid's beds. All the kids are thankful they don't have to take any medicine or, worse, get shots, the thought of which causes Jan to groan.

People who are critical of vaccines bring the episode up often. It's used in videos and memes and is cited by activists like Dr. Toni Bark, who testifies against vaccines in courts and at public hearings across the United States. To them, it aptly illustrates what they consider to be the harmlessness of the illness.

"You stayed home like the Brady Bunch show. You stayed home. You didn't go to the doctor," she says. "We never said, 'Oh my God, your kid could die. Oh my God, this is a deadly disease.' It's become that."

Del Bigtree, a TV producer who hosts a YouTube show critical of vaccines and who produced a movie about them, also looks to the episode to show that the current frenzy about the surge in measles cases is misplaced.

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"We were all giggling and laughing because the whole family in the Brady Bunch got the measles," he says. "Where is the sitcom that joked about dying from AIDS or joked about dying from cancer?"

Some former cast members are upset the show is being used in 2019 to bolster arguments against vaccines. Maureen McCormick played Marcia as a teen. She found out a few months ago that an anti-vaccination Facebook group was circulating memes of her with measles from that episode, and she was furious, she says.

"I was really concerned with that and wanted to get to the bottom of that, because I was never contacted," she says.

"I think it's really wrong when people use people's images today to promote whatever they want to promote and the person's image they're using they haven't asked or they have no idea where they stand on the issue," she says, adding, "As a mother, my daughter was vaccinated."

McCormick says that she got measles as a child and that it was nothing like the Brady Bunch episode; she got really sick.

"Having the measles was not a fun thing," she says. "I remember it spread through my family."

In 1969, the year that the Brady Bunch episode came out, there were more than 25,000 measles cases and 41 deaths, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It was six years after the vaccine was developed, and the vast majority of people who got sick with measles fully recovered, as they do today.

Elena Conis, an associate professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who specializes in medical history, explained that circumstances in 2019 are vastly different from those in 1969.

"In 1969, we had less control over infectious diseases," she says. "Smallpox was still a reality. There were far more cases of polio. In that context, it made sense to think of measles as a lesser threat."

Public health officials began to try to change the public consciousness about measles once a vaccine was developed, she says.

"They were saying, 'Well, hold on. There's this rate of complications; there's this number of hospitalizations; there's this number of deaths. We really have to shift our thinking about the threat that measles poses.' "

That effort to shift the public's understanding about measles is evident in the 1964 public service announcement, sponsored by the vaccine manufacturer Merck, called "Mission: Measles — The Story of a Vaccine."

"Many parents think of measles as just a common nuisance which makes their children feel miserable and keeps them out of school for a while. But physicians today know that measles is more than a nuisance," the announcer says, going on to warn of potential complications, such as bacterial infections, fatal pneumonia and brain inflammation.

The messaging worked, accompanied by federal funding initiatives directed toward childhood immunization. Over the next two decades, measles infections and deaths decreased precipitously as immunization levels went up. By 1984, there was just one death related to measles, historically low at the time and a far cry from the roughly 500 deaths each year attributed to measles before the vaccine was introduced.

Everyone who caught measles in the Brady Bunch episode was fine by the next episode, and most people who catch measles in 2019 will be fine too. But that's not always the case; the virus can cause pneumonia and, in severe cases, brain swelling and deafness.

In the ongoing measles outbreak in New York City, about 29 people have been hospitalized, six of whom needed intensive care, according to the city's health department. Two pregnant women in the city have contracted the virus in recent weeks, which could have severe complications for their babies; and a flight attendant who caught the virus while on a flight from New York City to Tel Aviv, Israel, was in a coma from measles complications, according to NBC.

Lloyd J. Schwartz, son of Brady Bunch creator Sherwood Schwartz, who died in 2011, also took issue with using the show to dissuade vaccination.

"Dad would be sorry, because he believed in vaccination, had all of his kids vaccinated," he says.


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 Post subject: Re: Vaccine thread
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The S.S. Scientology is quarantined in port with measles.


They should just let that boat suffer the Normandie fate from 1942 (?) on the New York docks.

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The S.S. Scientology is quarantined in port with measles.


They should just let that boat suffer the Normandie fate from 1942 (?) on the New York docks.


People attack Scientology, I never forget it, always even the score. People attack auditors, or staff, or organizations, or me. I never forget until the slate is clear.

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 Post subject: Re: Vaccine thread
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So people keep on getting measles. Any guesses as to why?


I was told here that they were totally eradicated.

How can this be then?

Is this a serious question? Measles was "eliminated" in the United States but never worldwide, and when people stopped getting vaccinated for it then it was able to return.

So, the answer to your question is that people aren't getting vaccines for measles at the level required to keep it "eliminated".

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 Post subject: Re: Vaccine thread
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So people keep on getting measles. Any guesses as to why?


I was told here that they were totally eradicated.

How can this be then?

Is this a serious question? Measles was "eliminated" in the United States but never worldwide, and when people stopped getting vaccinated for it then it was able to return.

So, the answer to your question is that people aren't getting vaccines for measles at the level required to keep it "eliminated".


So only the unvaccinated are getting the measles then?

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 Post subject: Re: Vaccine thread
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The S.S. Scientology is quarantined in port with measles.


They should just let that boat suffer the Normandie fate from 1942 (?) on the New York docks.


People attack Scientology, I never forget it, always even the score. People attack auditors, or staff, or organizations, or me. I never forget until the slate is clear.


This really is screaming out for an L. Leah Remini mult.

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 Post subject: Re: Vaccine thread
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Wasn't the whole dust up earlier in this thread about the difference between people who choose not to be vaccinated vs. people who are incapable of being vaccinated?

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 Post subject: Re: Vaccine thread
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So people keep on getting measles. Any guesses as to why?


I was told here that they were totally eradicated.

How can this be then?

Is this a serious question? Measles was "eliminated" in the United States but never worldwide, and when people stopped getting vaccinated for it then it was able to return.

So, the answer to your question is that people aren't getting vaccines for measles at the level required to keep it "eliminated".


So only the unvaccinated are getting the measles then?

Mostly, though the measles vaccine does not work in 100% of cases so some people who were vaccinated got it. That is why it is so important that everyone gets it to limit the spread. Also, some kids only have gotten 1 out of 2 shots so far so they only have like a 93% chance of immunity.

I can't believe you are still an anti-vaxxer.

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Also, solely because there are lunatic anti-vaxxers who read some drivel on the internet and decided to ignore years of proven science, there is a certain sect of the population that may need to get a booster MMR shot

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Maybe.

If you were born between 1957 and 1989, double check your immunization records. Many people born during that time only received one dose of the MMR vaccine because that is what was recommended. The CDC updated its guidelines, recommending two doses, in 1989.

Only people who received two doses of the measles vaccine as children are protected for life, according to the CDC

https://chicago.suntimes.com/well/measl ... ccination/

So even people that have been vaccinated against the measles are potentially at risk for infection. Thanks for that.

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 Post subject: Re: Vaccine thread
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Wasn't the whole dust up earlier in this thread about the difference between people who choose not to be vaccinated vs. people who are incapable of being vaccinated?


I don't think that really matters to hardline vaxxers.

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I always think the vaccination debate would make a good Three Stooges routine.


Aren’t they all dead? Maybe they weren’t vaccinated!


I'll vaccinate you, numbskull!

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Wait, Seacrest is an anti-vaxxer?


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Wasn't the whole dust up earlier in this thread about the difference between people who choose not to be vaccinated vs. people who are incapable of being vaccinated?


I don't think that really matters to hardline vaxxers.

What is a hardline vaxxer?

Those who can't get vaccinated should hate anti-vaxxers the most since they put them at risk.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Wasn't the whole dust up earlier in this thread about the difference between people who choose not to be vaccinated vs. people who are incapable of being vaccinated?


I don't think that really matters to hardline vaxxers.

What is a hardline vaxxer?

Those who can't get vaccinated should hate anti-vaxxers the most since they put them at risk.


You like that word hate.

Why?

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It actually makes sense now that he is an anti-vaxxer as these people are easily the most ignorant, self-absorbed people on the face of the earth. People that think data they read on a weird ass internet blog makes them more educated than doctors. Yep..that's him.


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I always think the vaccination debate would make a good Three Stooges routine.


Aren’t they all dead? Maybe they weren’t vaccinated!


I'll vaccinate you, numbskull!

It would be something like they inject the wrong drug and knock people out or something, then have to figure out how to move all these unconscious people around.

Calling Dr Howard, Dr Fine, Dr Howard!

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Seacrest wrote:
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Seacrest wrote:
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Wasn't the whole dust up earlier in this thread about the difference between people who choose not to be vaccinated vs. people who are incapable of being vaccinated?


I don't think that really matters to hardline vaxxers.

What is a hardline vaxxer?

Those who can't get vaccinated should hate anti-vaxxers the most since they put them at risk.


You like that word hate.

Why?

It is a good word.

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Hate ...is a good word. Hmmmm.

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Earnings call happening right now!


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Wasn't the whole dust up earlier in this thread about the difference between people who choose not to be vaccinated vs. people who are incapable of being vaccinated?


I don't think that really matters to hardline vaxxers.

What is a hardline vaxxer?

Those who can't get vaccinated should hate anti-vaxxers the most since they put them at risk.


You like that word hate.

Why?

It is a good word.


https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html

Los Angeles health folks believe this measles outbreak is coming from abroad.

Are you sure that our vaccine works against the measles strain from Viet Nam?

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I don't see any connection to Vietnam, Walter.


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Brick, can you help Bob out here.

I always suspected he couldn't read, and his last post confirms it.

The problems began when an L.A. County resident visited Vietnam earlier this year and contracted measles, said L.A. County health officer Dr. Muntu Davis. That person then spread measles to three other people in L.A. County

I'll try and post an article with pictures next time.

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Brick,

Do you feel comfortable explaining to Bob where babies come from?

I'm going to tell him that Viet Nam is in Australia. He'll never know.

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Please reconsider vaccinations diSEAsedCrest.
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Earnings call happening right now!


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Wasn't the whole dust up earlier in this thread about the difference between people who choose not to be vaccinated vs. people who are incapable of being vaccinated?


I don't think that really matters to hardline vaxxers.

What is a hardline vaxxer?

Those who can't get vaccinated should hate anti-vaxxers the most since they put them at risk.


You like that word hate.

Why?

It is a good word.

"Vaccinate Hatred"


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