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Former congressman, deadbeat dad, and current blowhard, Joe Walsh, wants terrorists to behead people at MSNBC and CNN for not showing Mohammed cartoons. Should they show it? Sure, probably. But beheading if they don't? Sorry Chas, get the fuck outta here...

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His twitter name is WalshFreedom :lol: :lol:

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His twitter name is WalshFreedom :lol: :lol:


I know it is my principle problem with so called Tea Partiers. As a card carrying Libertarian I find several of their stances absurd in light of their supposed love of free markets, state's rights, and the Constitution. Let's review a few:

1) Common Core. These idiots do not get that the standards are great for this country, and each state signs up to be a part. It is the epitome of state's rights. They are electing to be a part of it. The standards are not a federal government mandate.
2) Abortion. A true Libertarian (and I am looking at you Ron Paul) would be ok with people's freedom to choose. But, if you really want to defend this on Constitutional grounds, then it goes back to a state's rights issues (where I stand). In no way does the U.S. Constitution speak on abortion. As such, the 10th amendment applies, and each state should decide on its own.
3) Drug legalization. My goodness, has there ever been an issue that makes no sense for the Federal Government to be involved in? The so-called war is lost. If you support individual freedom, then drugs should largely be legal and regulated by the states.
4) The Muslim issue. If you really believe in everything this country stands for, then freedom of religion should apply here. Our country was founded by folks seeking religious liberty. Live and let live.

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His twitter name is WalshFreedom :lol: :lol:


I know it is my principle problem with so called Tea Partiers. As a card carrying Libertarian I find several of their stances absurd in light of their supposed love of free markets, state's rights, and the Constitution. Let's review a few:

1) Common Core. These idiots do not get that the standards are great for this country, and each state signs up to be a part. It is the epitome of state's rights. They are electing to be a part of it. The standards are not a federal government mandate.
2) Abortion. A true Libertarian (and I am looking at you Ron Paul) would be ok with people's freedom to choose. But, if you really want to defend this on Constitutional grounds, then it goes back to a state's rights issues (where I stand). In no way does the U.S. Constitution speak on abortion. As such, the 10th amendment applies, and each state should decide on its own.
3) Drug legalization. My goodness, has there ever been an issue that makes no sense for the Federal Government to be involved in? The so-called war is lost. If you support individual freedom, then drugs should largely be legal and regulated by the states.
4) The Muslim issue. If you really believe in everything this country stands for, then freedom of religion should apply here. Our country was founded by folks seeking religious liberty. Live and let live.


Hasn't it pretty much been established that all of these Neo-"Libertarians" are just Republicans who are so embarrassed by the wing-nuts in their party that they are willing to cozy up to Hippies and Baby-Killers. Why don't "Libertarians" ever mention fire codes, water regulations, etc. I suspect that if any of them shared their educational and work history, as well as that of their father, their dependence on "government" would be nearly equal to that of a Reagan -era welfare queen. Just different.

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The Tea Party was unfortunately co-opted by far right Republicans. Ron Paul, all in, is the politician that most fits my beliefs. I disagree with his abortion stance, but that's about it. I also like his non-interventionist approach to foreign policy.

As for Libertarians and rules like fire codes, there are various schools of thought. I have heard pure Libertarians make the case for things as far fetched as private fire departments. I am no where near that. As a believer in the U.S Constitution, I want the Federal Government to have a limited role that mainly includes control of trade, the money supply, and national defense. All else is reserved for the states. While I want the states to restraint in the economy, I recognize the need for things that the private market cannot produce, like roads, a limited welfare benefit, police, etc.

It is tougher for me on things like environmental rules, civil rights, and food safety standards where I think we have to accept a Federal role in these matters. So I am not a purist, but I lean toward state's rights where ever possible.

At this point, I would simply be happy to see a sound money policy and balanced budget......

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Yeah that might be restricted to the Freedom Republic of Texas

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Ron Paul has some Civil Rights Act issues and some issues with a newsletter. I agree with him on a few things but overall I think he's a fraud.

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Ron Paul has some Civil Rights Act issues and some issues with a newsletter. I agree with him on a few things but overall I think he's a fraud.


I think that newsletter thing was a hack job. Libertarians struggle on the civil rights issue because it is a Federal law and has the impact of government overreach on things like lawsuits against businesses. In an ideal world, the equal protection clause of the Constitution would be sufficient along with the idea that "all men are created equal". But we all know neither applied for almost 200 years since the country's founding as evidenced by the founders having slaves and "separate but equal." Heck we still have equality problems today. So, that is why I said I lean towards the need for a national policy on civil rights.

If I had all the answers, you'd see me running for office. I want to be pragmatic in my approach rather than idealistic.

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Joe Walsh sounds a lot like Kirk Van Houten.

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Joe Walsh sounds a lot like Kirk Van Houten.

Hub looks like him, Walsh sounds like him.


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The Tea Party was unfortunately co-opted by far right Republicans. Ron Paul, all in, is the politician that most fits my beliefs. I disagree with his abortion stance, but that's about it. I also like his non-interventionist approach to foreign policy.

As for Libertarians and rules like fire codes, there are various schools of thought. I have heard pure Libertarians make the case for things as far fetched as private fire departments. I am no where near that. As a believer in the U.S Constitution, I want the Federal Government to have a limited role that mainly includes control of trade, the money supply, and national defense. All else is reserved for the states. While I want the states to restraint in the economy, I recognize the need for things that the private market cannot produce, like roads, a limited welfare benefit, police, etc.

It is tougher for me on things like environmental rules, civil rights, and food safety standards where I think we have to accept a Federal role in these matters. So I am not a purist, but I lean toward state's rights where ever possible.

At this point, I would simply be happy to see a sound money policy and balanced budget......


Exactly. The government is too involved in social issues when their focus should be on economic & financial issues.

One of the things that I liked about Bruce Rauner was that he ran on an economic platform & he had no social platform or agenda.
He understands what the priorities are for his job & this fucked up state of ours.

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2) Abortion. A true Libertarian (and I am looking at you Ron Paul) would be ok with people's freedom to choose. But, if you really want to defend this on Constitutional grounds, then it goes back to a state's rights issues (where I stand). In no way does the U.S. Constitution speak on abortion. As such, the 10th amendment applies, and each state should decide on its own.


Freedom to choose to murder innocent unborn children? Is that what Libertarians stand for?

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4) The Muslim issue. If you really believe in everything this country stands for, then freedom of religion should apply here. Our country was founded by folks seeking religious liberty. Live and let live.


Freedom of religion is fine until the core tenets of said religion interfere with America's secular values and/or laws. For example, Some Guy, Sini, Ike, and I are forming a new religion where our sacraments are shooting heroin and sacrificing virgins. I'm sure you don't support our right to practice.

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Rauner has a chance to do things. One, he largely funded his own campaign. Second, you are correct in that he ran on an economic platform. And finally, it seems like there is a recognition by the political class that big things need to get done.

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Rauner has a chance to do things. One, he largely funded his own campaign. Second, you are correct in that he ran on an economic platform. And finally, it seems like there is a recognition by the political class that big things need to get done.


I'm not sure he ran on an economic platform. Not being Quinn was just about enough to get my vote and the vote of a lot of other people. He was very vague on the campaign trail.

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2) Abortion. A true Libertarian (and I am looking at you Ron Paul) would be ok with people's freedom to choose. But, if you really want to defend this on Constitutional grounds, then it goes back to a state's rights issues (where I stand). In no way does the U.S. Constitution speak on abortion. As such, the 10th amendment applies, and each state should decide on its own.


Freedom to choose to murder innocent unborn children? Is that what Libertarians stand for?

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4) The Muslim issue. If you really believe in everything this country stands for, then freedom of religion should apply here. Our country was founded by folks seeking religious liberty. Live and let live.


Freedom of religion is fine until the core tenets of said religion interfere with America's secular values and/or laws. For example, Some Guy, Sini, Ike, and I are forming a new religion where our sacraments are shooting heroin and sacrificing virgins. I'm sure you don't support our right to practice.


I believe in the freedom of Muslims to practice their religion as I do with Mormons, Jews, Christians, Hindu's, Devil Worshippers, and coke snorting Ike's.

The abortion debate, like pornography, is best settled under a community standard approach. Essentially, each state should decide for itself where they stand. About half think it is murder and half think it is a medical procedure.

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Rauner has a chance to do things. One, he largely funded his own campaign. Second, you are correct in that he ran on an economic platform. And finally, it seems like there is a recognition by the political class that big things need to get done.


I'm not sure he ran on an economic platform. Not being Quinn was just about enough to get my vote and the vote of a lot of other people. He was very vague on the campaign trail.


His commercials said that was his agenda. And yes, details were lacking.

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2) Abortion. A true Libertarian (and I am looking at you Ron Paul) would be ok with people's freedom to choose. But, if you really want to defend this on Constitutional grounds, then it goes back to a state's rights issues (where I stand). In no way does the U.S. Constitution speak on abortion. As such, the 10th amendment applies, and each state should decide on its own.


Freedom to choose to murder innocent unborn children? Is that what Libertarians stand for?

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4) The Muslim issue. If you really believe in everything this country stands for, then freedom of religion should apply here. Our country was founded by folks seeking religious liberty. Live and let live.


Freedom of religion is fine until the core tenets of said religion interfere with America's secular values and/or laws. For example, Some Guy, Sini, Ike, and I are forming a new religion where our sacraments are shooting heroin and sacrificing virgins. I'm sure you don't support our right to practice.


I believe in the freedom of Muslims to practice their religion as I do with Mormons, Jews, Christians, Hindu's, Devil Worshippers, and coke snorting Ike's.

The abortion debate, like pornography, is best settled under a community standard approach. Essentially, each state should decide for itself where they stand. About half think it is murder and half think it is a medical procedure.


I think don't murder babies (unless you were raped) should be easy for everyone to get behind. How we got to this point is amazing.

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If it's murder, then why would you allow an abortion in the case of rape? In any case, the courts have ruled in such a way that is an acceptable and legal medical procedure. My point is simply that the decision should be left to the states to decide.

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If it's murder, then why would you allow an abortion in the case of rape? In any case, the courts have ruled in such a way that is an acceptable and legal medical procedure. My point is simply that the decision should be left to the states to decide.


I think having to raise a baby that was conceived during rape is just a continuation of the assault. That's different than anything else in my world. I don't think that the states should decide though. I believe that all across the country and the world abortion should be considered murder. With rape being the only exception.

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Addressing the nomination of Joe Walsh...he's a great guitar player. Not interested in his political views, but bless his heart for trying.
While I find myself agreeing with Ron Paul on many issues, he's still nothing more than a fraud and an opportunist...a career politician.

The TeaParty...I honestly think this was a group of Republicans that realized they couldn't win, so they **tried** splitting off. Fortunately, most have been able to see through it.

I want to agree with Liberatarians, but reality has proven some things just need to be managed at the federal level.

I could care less on abortion....it's at the bottom of the list of many important government-related issues to solve.

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Agree with all that. Unfortunately we have been trained that government is the answer, so we all look to the Federal government to solve every problem. But as you say, there are a lot of problems that seemingly could not be solved without their involvement: civil rights, the FDA, the EPA, anti trust matters, etc.

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The Tea Party was unfortunately co-opted by far right Republicans. Ron Paul, all in, is the politician that most fits my beliefs. I disagree with his abortion stance, but that's about it. I also like his non-interventionist approach to foreign policy.

As for Libertarians and rules like fire codes, there are various schools of thought. I have heard pure Libertarians make the case for things as far fetched as private fire departments. I am no where near that. As a believer in the U.S Constitution, I want the Federal Government to have a limited role that mainly includes control of trade, the money supply, and national defense. All else is reserved for the states. While I want the states to restraint in the economy, I recognize the need for things that the private market cannot produce, like roads, a limited welfare benefit, police, etc.

It is tougher for me on things like environmental rules, civil rights, and food safety standards where I think we have to accept a Federal role in these matters. So I am not a purist, but I lean toward state's rights where ever possible.

At this point, I would simply be happy to see a sound money policy and balanced budget......


Exactly. The government is too involved in social issues when their focus should be on economic & financial issues.

One of the things that I liked about Bruce Rauner was that he ran on an economic platform & he had no social platform or agenda.
He understands what the priorities are for his job & this fucked up state of ours.


...and on the first day in office decided to put the brakes on medical marijuana licensing

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Addressing the nomination of Joe Walsh...he's a great guitar player. Not interested in his political views, but bless his heart for trying.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Not the same guy...

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Ron Paul has some Civil Rights Act issues and some issues with a newsletter. I agree with him on a few things but overall I think he's a fraud.


I think that newsletter thing was a hack job.
Do you also believe OJ was innocent? Doesn't take much research in this to see it is VERY likely that he either wrote or tacitly approved of the newsletters in question. Fortunately his time has passed so it really doesn't matter any more.

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The Tea Party was unfortunately co-opted by far right Republicans. Ron Paul, all in, is the politician that most fits my beliefs. I disagree with his abortion stance, but that's about it. I also like his non-interventionist approach to foreign policy.

As for Libertarians and rules like fire codes, there are various schools of thought. I have heard pure Libertarians make the case for things as far fetched as private fire departments. I am no where near that. As a believer in the U.S Constitution, I want the Federal Government to have a limited role that mainly includes control of trade, the money supply, and national defense. All else is reserved for the states. While I want the states to restraint in the economy, I recognize the need for things that the private market cannot produce, like roads, a limited welfare benefit, police, etc.

It is tougher for me on things like environmental rules, civil rights, and food safety standards where I think we have to accept a Federal role in these matters. So I am not a purist, but I lean toward state's rights where ever possible.

At this point, I would simply be happy to see a sound money policy and balanced budget......


Exactly. The government is too involved in social issues when their focus should be on economic & financial issues.

One of the things that I liked about Bruce Rauner was that he ran on an economic platform & he had no social platform or agenda.
He understands what the priorities are for his job & this fucked up state of ours.


...and on the first day in office decided to put the brakes on medical marijuana licensing


Revenues are higher than expected in Colorado, since legalization. Maybe Rauner isn't such a great business man.

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The Tea Party was unfortunately co-opted by far right Republicans. Ron Paul, all in, is the politician that most fits my beliefs. I disagree with his abortion stance, but that's about it. I also like his non-interventionist approach to foreign policy.

As for Libertarians and rules like fire codes, there are various schools of thought. I have heard pure Libertarians make the case for things as far fetched as private fire departments. I am no where near that. As a believer in the U.S Constitution, I want the Federal Government to have a limited role that mainly includes control of trade, the money supply, and national defense. All else is reserved for the states. While I want the states to restraint in the economy, I recognize the need for things that the private market cannot produce, like roads, a limited welfare benefit, police, etc.

It is tougher for me on things like environmental rules, civil rights, and food safety standards where I think we have to accept a Federal role in these matters. So I am not a purist, but I lean toward state's rights where ever possible.

At this point, I would simply be happy to see a sound money policy and balanced budget......


Exactly. The government is too involved in social issues when their focus should be on economic & financial issues.

One of the things that I liked about Bruce Rauner was that he ran on an economic platform & he had no social platform or agenda.
He understands what the priorities are for his job & this fucked up state of ours.


...and on the first day in office decided to put the brakes on medical marijuana licensing


Revenues are higher than expected in Colorado, since legalization. Maybe Rauner isn't such a great business man.


Illinois has already taken in more than $5 million in licensing fees without issuing a single license.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
denisdman wrote:
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Ron Paul has some Civil Rights Act issues and some issues with a newsletter. I agree with him on a few things but overall I think he's a fraud.


I think that newsletter thing was a hack job.
Do you also believe OJ was innocent? Doesn't take much research in this to see it is VERY likely that he either wrote or tacitly approved of the newsletters in question. Fortunately his time has passed so it really doesn't matter any more.


I guess there is a wikipedia entry on it. No, I had never researched it. Sounds like a lot of race baiting stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters

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