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Why is JRW seemingly being looked at harder than every other US champ the last 50 years?

Because they took kids from outside their boundaries.

No, that's what they found out after someone decided to investigate.

Im wondering why there was an investigation. Further, why hasnt this happened before?


Do you think the previous 50 Champs were all on the up and up? Id guess not


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I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Why is JRW seemingly being looked at harder than every other US champ the last 50 years?

Because they took kids from outside their boundaries.

No, that's what they found out after someone decided to investigate.

Im wondering why there was an investigation. Further, why hasnt this happened before?


Do you think the previous 50 Champs were all on the up and up? Id guess not


Some time in the last 10 years, I forget who, and Asian or Phillipino winner was stripped I seem to remember.

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I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.

Why do you do that whenever someone disagrees?


Im not acting AT ALL like I have all the answers. Im asking questions. Quite the opposite.


Dont act like Im a lawyer cross examining you. Just be real. Do you think the previous 50 teams were all on the up and up?

I would guess some of them were not.


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Some guy on Score now seems to have the full story.

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I'm sure most if not all the teams are bending the rules. Someone just spent enough time and money to prove JRW cheated.

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I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.


That's lazy

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.

Why do you do that whenever someone disagrees?


Im not acting AT ALL like I have all the answers. Im asking questions. Quite the opposite.


Dont act like Im a lawyer cross examining you. Just be real. Do you think the previous 50 teams were all on the up and up?

I would guess some of them were not.

I am sure they are not because a team out of Bronx used a older play and they had to forfeit everything also several years ago. As Pittmike stated a foreign team had the same thing happen.

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Nas wrote:
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I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.


That's lazy


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Some guy on Score now seems to have the full story.

Is he wishing death upon all involved?

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Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.

Why do you do that whenever someone disagrees?


Im not acting AT ALL like I have all the answers. Im asking questions. Quite the opposite.


Dont act like Im a lawyer cross examining you. Just be real. Do you think the previous 50 teams were all on the up and up?

I would guess some of them were not.

I am sure they are not because a team out of Bronx used a older play and they had to forfeit everything also several years ago. As Pittmike stated a foreign team had the same thing happen.

Right. Ok, so we can agree that this sort of thing is not new with JRW

Now, Im just wondering why they got looked at so hard compared to the other teams


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.

Why do you do that whenever someone disagrees?


Im not acting AT ALL like I have all the answers. Im asking questions. Quite the opposite.


Dont act like Im a lawyer cross examining you. Just be real. Do you think the previous 50 teams were all on the up and up?

I would guess some of them were not.

I am sure they are not because a team out of Bronx used a older play and they had to forfeit everything also several years ago. As Pittmike stated a foreign team had the same thing happen.

Right. Ok, so we can agree that this sort of thing is not new with JRW

Now, Im just wondering why they got looked at so hard compared to the other teams

Like I typed earlier, the boundary maps are set significantly prior to seasons starting, I am not even sure what the total process is to change them with the National Little League and how long this has to be done, but I would be at least a year. Kids are signing up now, they have to know what Little League District they are in, that is why the boundary maps are done well prior to the season even starting.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.


That's lazy


Sounds good.


It is. As a father that has an older son that has played sports for years I'm sure you know teams cheat all the time. Some are just better at it. In some places this may not have even been an issue. To not acknowledge that or even offer a counter argument is lazy.

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Nas wrote:
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I don't know RPB, you guys seem to have all of the answers so carry on.


That's lazy


Sounds good.


It is. As a father that has an older son that has played sports for years I'm sure you know teams cheat all the time. Some are just better at it. In some places this may not have even been an issue. To not acknowledge that or even offer a counter argument is lazy.

I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.

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As much as a nit picker the EP coach is along with the Vegas folks do you not think that throughout the country there are other coaches from losing teams who after having lost didn't turn over every stone looking for wrong doing? I'll bet every year there are guys like that. Pissed off they lost and bring up stuff to the powers that be. Its unique because JRW won the whole thing so of course its more of a story with closer scrutiny.

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I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.
JRW was cleared to play multiple times.

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I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.
JRW was cleared to play multiple times.

So its a witch hunt now? They were stripped. Obviously there was some wrong doing going on right?

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As much as a nit picker the EP coach is along with the Vegas folks do you not think that throughout the country there are other coaches from losing teams who after having lost didn't turn over every stone looking for wrong doing? I'll bet every year there are guys like that. Pissed off they lost and bring up stuff to the powers that be. Its unique because JRW won the whole thing so of course its more of a story with closer scrutiny.

A team wins the whole thing every year. Im only comparing them to other champs.

You might be right, but Ive never heard of it.


How bout the fact that they were cleared in December and the coach didnt accept that?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Why is JRW seemingly being looked at harder than every other US champ the last 50 years?

Just come right out and say it.

Is Danny Almonte 50?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.
JRW was cleared to play multiple times.

Were they providing false information about where the kids supposedly lived, when they really lived outside the boundaries?

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I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.
JRW was cleared to play multiple times.

So its a witch hunt now? They were stripped. Obviously there was some wrong doing going on right?
Hawg Ass was citing his experience and how hard it is to get cleared.

JRW was cleared multiple times too so it doesn't really tell you much about the investigative process especially at the regional level like he is talking about.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
As much as a nit picker the EP coach is along with the Vegas folks do you not think that throughout the country there are other coaches from losing teams who after having lost didn't turn over every stone looking for wrong doing? I'll bet every year there are guys like that. Pissed off they lost and bring up stuff to the powers that be. Its unique because JRW won the whole thing so of course its more of a story with closer scrutiny.

A team wins the whole thing every year. Im only comparing them to other champs.

You might be right, but Ive never heard of it.


How bout the fact that they were cleared in December and the coach didnt accept that?

Why do you think he didn't accept that ? He obviously knew something right?

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I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.
JRW was cleared to play multiple times.

Because the other coach had to the work for them :lol:

LL wanted the feel good story. Problem is, the story is fiction.

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Why is JRW seemingly being looked at harder than every other US champ the last 50 years?

Just come right out and say it.

Is Danny Almonte 50?



play this game against boys like Danny Almonte


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Why is JRW seemingly being looked at harder than every other US champ the last 50 years?

Just come right out and say it.

What? That it's because they're black? Ok. Its been said by a few here. Im just trying to logically get there and see if it's true. None of the facts have really dissuaded me from that opinion.

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Is Danny Almonte 50?

What was that like 15 years ago?

He was so dominant (moreso than like any kid ever), he got looked at hard. That makes sense.


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Hawg Ass wrote:
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I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.
JRW was cleared to play multiple times.

Were they providing false information about where the kids supposedly lived, when they really lived outside the boundaries?
Were the teams you were playing against?

Your point seems to be that you don't think cheating is rampant because of how hard it is to get cleared based on personal experience, but JRW was cleared multiple times too.

If JRW was cleared, how can you be so sure about those other teams?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
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Hawg Ass wrote:
I can say that all of the teams that I was around and the different little leagues that we played against (around the state), I never heard of it 1 time. I was heavily involved in it for 3 years. That is around the state of Wisconsin. Little League does a pretty good job with the affidavit of what is demanded to get your team cleared to play.
JRW was cleared to play multiple times.

Were they providing false information about where the kids supposedly lived, when they really lived outside the boundaries?
Were the teams you were playing against?

Your point seems to be that you don't think cheating is rampant because of how hard it is to get cleared based on personal experience, but JRW was cleared multiple times too.

If JRW was cleared, how can you be so sure about those other teams?

I was asked my experience and provided it.

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Jackie Robinson was looked at more because mayors in the south suburbs were throwing parades for the players who played on a Chicago team. Made it a lot easier.

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As much as a nit picker the EP coach is along with the Vegas folks do you not think that throughout the country there are other coaches from losing teams who after having lost didn't turn over every stone looking for wrong doing? I'll bet every year there are guys like that. Pissed off they lost and bring up stuff to the powers that be. Its unique because JRW won the whole thing so of course its more of a story with closer scrutiny.

A team wins the whole thing every year. Im only comparing them to other champs.

You might be right, but Ive never heard of it.


How bout the fact that they were cleared in December and the coach didnt accept that?

Why do you think he didn't accept that ? He obviously knew something right?

I think he didnt accept it because he's probably a loser with a less than fulfilling life.


They cheated. For sure. Not arguing that. Im talking about people's motivations.


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Jackie Robinson was looked at more because mayors in the south suburbs were throwing parades for the players who played on a Chicago team. Made it a lot easier.

That's a good point, but Ill bet that has happened in other years with other teams.


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