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Can you imagine how many yards Kapernick runs up on the Bears D, let alone Gore? That said, I think the Bears had a better chance to beat them than the Packers.

based on what?


Rodgers really had Nelson to go to. Bears probably would have scored a lot more than the Packers did. If Lacey was able to run that well, Forte would have likely had similar results. That said, I think you end up with a 40-38 type shootout.

Cutler has zero chance of putting up 38. You're crazy.


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Yeah, well what about dat McClown guy? Huh, Bernstine? Dat McClowin woulda scored on dem.

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Cut/Do Not Re-Sign:
Raji
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Re-Sign Discount Only:
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Byrd for the love of God Ted stop being a stingy asshole and get a free agent


Why in the fuck do you want Jennings back??

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Didn't he put 40 on the Steelers and Redskins?

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Why in the fuck do you want Jennings back??

Depth. Lovat and Pepper are going to injure the safeties who start next year.


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Jennings blows. Lovat is getting fired anyways. Lovat could be a better safety than him.

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Didn't he put 40 on the Steelers and Redskins?


I think there was a defensive TD or two in the Steelers game, and he got injured in the Redskins game. Actually, it was McCown in the Redskins game that went off and led the Bears to a lot of points following the Cutler injury.

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So basically I'll just stick to the hockey section.

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Jennings blows. Lovat is getting fired anyways. Lovat could be a better safety than him.

I wish for it but here's how it'll go:
McCarthy: Uh, yea, we're going to assess every aspect of our program.

Month later...
McCarthy: We identified some issues and we'll clean them up. Have to take every day at a time and improve.

2 Months later...
McCarthy: I can announce we've implemented our new programs and everything is going well. Thanks.


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UNRESTRICTED (15)
*Ryan Pickett NT 33 12 $5,400,000
*B.J. Raji DE 27 4 $4,490,000
*Jermichael Finley TE 26 5 $4,450,000
*James Jones WR 29 6 $2,950,000
*Sam Shields CB 25 3 $2,023,000
*John Kuhn FB 31 7 $1,800,000
*Evan Dietrich-Smith C 27 3 $1,323,000
Marshall Newhouse T 24 3 $1,323,000
Andrew Quarless TE 24 3 $1,323,000
Seneca Wallace QB 33 9 $840,000
*Johnny Jolly DE 30 4 $715,000
Rob Francois LB 28 3 $630,000
Mike Neal LB 26 3 $630,000
James Starks RB 27 3 $630,000
C.J. Wilson DE 26 3 $630,000

RESTRICTED (2)
*M.D. Jennings S 25 2 $555,000
Jamari Lattimore LB 24 2 $555,000

EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS (1)
Chris Banjo S 23 0 $405,000

With a projected cap of 126.3 million the Packers will have approx $27.1 million in cap space. They have $17.3 million projected in space given 2014 cap hits on the book. The Pack can rollover $9.8 in space they carried this year.

Cutting Tramon Williams can net another $7.5 million in savings. He's in his last year. His turnaround in play changed my mind against that and perhaps a extension/re-negotiation? His 9.5 million cap hit is too damn high.


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Don't hit Rodgers when he is going down or you will get a personal foul but Rodgers is not down when he is in the grasp.

It became increasingly apparent that the league and its television partners were desirous of having the Packers in the playoffs for as long as possible within their power.

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Don't hit Rodgers when he is going down or you will get a personal foul but Rodgers is not down when he is in the grasp.

It became increasingly apparent that the league and its television partners were desirous of having the Packers in the playoffs for as long as possible within their power.

I guess we know who the true beloved are in this world. sucks to suck.


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Don't hit Rodgers when he is going down or you will get a personal foul but Rodgers is not down when he is in the grasp.

It became increasingly apparent that the league and its television partners were desirous of having the Packers in the playoffs for as long as possible within their power.

I guess we know who the true beloved are in this world. sucks to suck.


You had every advantage in the world going for you yesterday and still lost. It sure does suck to suck.

and while I'm at it, is there a more preening group of douchebags than the Packers? They grow their hair long to show what tough mountain men they are. Then, every time they are about to put their helmets back on they shake their heads and adjust their hair like a model on a shampoo commercial.

soooo happy to see them lose...nice leap douchebag Kuhn

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Don't hit Rodgers when he is going down or you will get a personal foul but Rodgers is not down when he is in the grasp.

It became increasingly apparent that the league and its television partners were desirous of having the Packers in the playoffs for as long as possible within their power.

I guess we know who the true beloved are in this world. sucks to suck.


You had every advantage in the world going for you yesterday and still lost. It sure does suck to suck.

and while I'm at it, is there a more preening group of douchebags than the Packers? They grow their hair long to show what tough mountain men they are. Then, every time they are about to put their helmets back on they shake their heads and adjust their hair like a model on a shampoo commercial.

soooo happy to see them lose...nice leap douchebag Kuhn

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Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy is not looking to make major changes to his coaching staff. While McCarthy wouldn't announce anything official at his year-end press conference Wednesday, defensive coordinator Dom Capers' job looks safe.

"Dom Capers is an outstanding football coach," McCarthy said with his voice rising. "No one will be evaluated today. We'll go though this just like last year, you guys did this to me last year.

"I'm not going into this thing looking to make looking to make big changes, but I'll tell you one thing, when I go though this process, there's things you really like about your program. ... I think Dom Capers is an outstanding football coach and I'm glad he’s on our staff."

We're not sure why McCarthy couldn't just say that Capers would be back, but he was clear enough with his intentions. McCarthy isn't looking to make big changes, and removing Capers would be the biggest change possible. Capers' defense dealt with a ton of injuries all season, but it underperformed, especially in the secondary.

McCarthy also made it clear obvious he has no issues with his offense.

"I felt this was going to be the best offense we ever had here. I thought we were going to go past 2011," McCarthy said.

To close out the session, McCarthy was asked if his offense can now win in any conditions.

"Hell, yeah. Don't you think so?" McCarthy said before referencing the vastly improved running game. "I'd put our offense up against anybody's."

We can't disagree. The Packers offense should be among the NFL's best next year. The defense remains the big question.

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Dom Capers is the most over rated coach in the NFL. His Defense sucks year after year yet he keeps his job. This is good for the Bears.

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Packers defense was 2nd in 2009 and 2nd in 2010 under Capers.

Does being wrong ever get tiring?

Your boyfriend Trestman is actually the one who installed a DC where his defense is always last yet always has a job.


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Packers defense was 2nd in 2009 and 2nd in 2010 under Capers.

Does being wrong ever get tiring?

Your boyfriend Trestman is actually the one who installed a DC where his defense is always last yet always has a job.
I don't disagree with anything you said...but I can't really defend Capers. They are the opposite of a Lovie D - break but don't bend. I have come to expect 3rd & long conversions rather than a stop the last 2 seasons.

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His unnatural hair disturbs me

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His unnatural hair disturbs me

A hell of a lot other than his hair disturb me.

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I disagree with some of his points but I like the tone of the article. Packers management needs to wake up with regard to free agency.

Green Bay — It's one thing to be confident. It's another to be smug.

Listening to Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers and others last week, it would appear as if the Green Bay Packers think they can just roll the balls out next season and be a prime contender for the Super Bowl.

All this stuff about finishing strong and overcoming adversity has to stop.

The Packers didn't finish strong. They were on their home field in their kind of weather and in ideal position to beat a powerful foe in the playoff opener. Then they blew it in the last six minutes.

They also didn't overcome adversity. The Packers lose their starting quarterback for the first time in 21 years and are proud of going 2-5-1 against a soft schedule (five at home) without him?

Let's be clear about something else. The NFC North championship was more about the Detroit Lions pulling a colossal fold than the Green Bay Packers doing anything wonderful.

From the sound of things, the Packers — aside from a tweak here and a tweak there — plan to keep on operating the way they always have under Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers.

In case they missed it, pro football has moved on since the Packers' lone Super Bowl in their eight seasons as partners.

While the Packers were beating the Joe Webb-quarterbacked Vikings for their only postseason triumph since the 45th Super Bowl, NFC upstarts Seattle, Carolina and San Francisco — a combined 15-33 in 2010 when Green Bay was winning it all — drafted dynamic quarterbacks and made vast improvements to marginal defenses.

It might have been a terrible year in the division, but that doesn't mean it's going to stay that way.

The Vikings panicked and missed on Christian Ponder, but with the No. 8 pick in the draft they'll probably be right back in the quarterback hunt. If the Vikings find the next Russell Wilson, Cam Newton or Colin Kaepernick, they have more than enough good young players to be right back in the division race next season and beyond.

Ill-tempered and arrogant Jim Schwartz, whose teams were always undisciplined, did get the Lions out of jail. Whoever the next coach is would be a better choice than Schwartz to erase the stench of that 1-6 finish.

And aggressive general manager Phil Emery, already having built a formidable offense, will be using every means at his disposal in an attempt to rebuild the broken defense in Chicago.

Meanwhile, in Green Bay, McCarthy on Wednesday talked about what might have been in 2013 and, as his quarterback did a day earlier, a championship window they don't foresee closing any time soon.

The Packers could forget how fortunate they were that the Lions self-destructed and bask in their third straight NFC North crown and fifth straight playoff berth.

The T-shirts around town say division champs, baby. How can you argue with success?

Or the Packers can take a long look at themselves, admit to their many shortcomings and failings and come back as a more vibrant organization under old standbys Thompson, McCarthy, Rodgers and Dom Capers.

None of those four men has any reason to feel good about the recent past.

Thompson has made his share of outstanding picks in the draft. It's his area of expertise, and his drafting record over the years is better than the norm.

Last year, Thompson went blithely along with McCarthy on the idea that Graham Harrell and B.J. Coleman were capable backups when everyone in America knew that they weren't. Given Vince Young's mental limitations, his signing Aug. 5 made no sense, either.

If Thompson hadn't dawdled for a week before bringing back Matt Flynn, the Packers might have gone 2-0 against the Giants and Vikings instead of 0-1-1.

Thompson made another mistake when he didn't sign another center after Greg Van Roten was done for the season Sept. 30. When Evan Dietrich-Smith couldn't play an entire game, at least two changes in the line had to be made and the offense fell apart against the Eagles and Lions.

A secret to the Packers' continued success has been their ability to identify core players early and sign them to slightly below-market contracts. Thompson's decision to give Morgan Burnett a big-money extension in mid-July and then watch him perform like a free agent should have rocked the franchise's draft-and-develop model.

As good as the Packers have been acquiring extra draft picks, there usually aren't enough of them to close all the holes. The safety position in Green Bay the past two years is a perfect example.

Thompson's aversion to veteran acquisition, whether through unrestricted free agency, street free agency or trade, must end for the Packers to hang with the top teams.

John Schneider, Dave Gettleman and Trent Baalke, the personnel-oriented GMs in Seattle, Carolina and San Francisco, have their teams among the final four in the NFC partly because of their veteran additions.

In the trades of 2013, look what Anquan Boldin did for the 49ers, what Alex Smith did for the Chiefs, what LeGarrette Blount did for the Patriots, what Jerry Hughes (10 sacks) did for the Bills, what Carson Palmer did for the Cardinals and what Jon Beason did for the Giants.

In free agency, some of the wise signings on offense were tight end Martellus Bennett by the Bears, guards Louis Vasquez by the Broncos and Matt Slauson by the Bears, and running back Danny Woodhead by the Chargers.

The list on defense includes ends Michael Bennett by the Seahawks and Mike DeVito by the Chiefs, nose tackle Glenn Dorsey by the 49ers, inside linebacker Karlos Dansby by the Cardinals, outside linebacker John Abraham by the Cardinals, cornerback Keenan Lewis by the Saints, safety Glover Quin by the Lions, kicker Phil Dawson by the 49ers and receiver-returner Ted Ginn Jr. by the Panthers.

Green Bay's only signing was Matthew Mulligan.

"They have no pro department up there," an executive in personnel said. "Ted does some good things in drafting but they don't do (expletive) in personnel.

"Ted has shut it down lately. They've gone stone cold. They have not been utilizing all the markets. Now it's caught up to him."

If Thompson trusts himself, pro personnel director Eliot Wolf and others in the building, he'll resume activity in free agency and seek bargain-priced or market-priced veterans to augment the draft.

As one scout put it, "You start at 8-8 when you have a franchise quarterback."

McCarthy deserves a degree of credit for developing Rodgers. He deserves blame for not being able to function better without him.

He's the quarterback/offensive/play-calling guru. He didn't get it done with Harrell, Coleman and Young, and when push came to shove he didn't get it done with Seneca Wallace or Scott Tolzien, either.

Try as he might, McCarthy failed to win a game for a month. In that period, he couldn't rally the team the way some great coaches in similar straits have done over the decades.

It also would have helped if McCarthy could have counted on his special teams more when Rodgers wasn't around to outscore the opposition. Unlike coaches that have had to make do without a great quarterback, he never had to depend on his kicking game for field position and points.

Bill Walsh never seemed to care. If McCarthy really does care, you wouldn't know it by the performance of his special teams for much of his tenure.

As for the overriding problem of injuries, McCarthy either has the most fragile or the unluckiest team in the league. The Packers need to find tougher players from the standpoint of injuries (see Eddie Lacy), but I'm not sure McCarthy or any of his advisers have a clue how to do it.

The pipeline from Thompson to the defense has all but dried up after the draft-day trade for Clay Matthews in 2009. That has placed undue burden on Capers, but as someone regarded by many in football as a top-five to top-10 coordinator it's incumbent upon him to perform better than this.

In the last four years, the Packers have ranked 28th, 26th, 26th and 29th in yards allowed per rush. Stopping the run is the foundation for any defense.

After a one-year improvement, the total of missed tackles (127) was almost back to the 2011 level (140) that sent McCarthy on an off-season tirade.

Just when it seemed the Packers could never allow as many as the 85 plays of 20 yards or more that they did two years ago, they yielded 82.

The red-zone defensive ranking was in the 20s for the third straight year, and the points-off-takeaways totals the past two years were by far the two lowest of the McCarthy era.

So many evils on defense returned to Green Bay this season.

Capers, however, has owned Jay Cutler (8-1) and Matthew Stafford (6-1), and it's a critical feather in his cap.

In 2010, Rodgers performed well in the first and third playoff games and brilliantly in the second and fourth. His pelts forever are on the wall.

Since then, in four playoff games, he outplayed the aforementioned Webb (subbing last minute for the injured Ponder) in the only victory and was outplayed by Kaepernick twice and Eli Manning once in the three defeats.

Not once in those four games did the opposing coordinators all-out blitz Rodgers, and on a mere 12.3% of passes did they even pressure with five. Just as San Francisco's Vic Fangio did last Sunday, the way to subdue Rodgers in the postseason is to make him be patient.

After review, it could be said that Rodgers gave the Packers ordinary quarterback play in his last four playoff starts.

Rodgers accepted blame Tuesday, but the only thing that matters will be if he performs a whole lot better than ordinary if and when his team returns to the postseason.

In a league set up for quarterbacks to dominate, the Packers need Rodgers to dominate. By the same token, they need Thompson, McCarthy and Capers to step up their games.

Complacency can be insidious within a National Football League operation. The Packers should have nothing to be complacent about.



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Same mixed feelings Zippy. Teddy and McCarthy are lulled into a sense of complacency b/c of the ineptitude of Bears/Vikes/Lions. I place the majority of the blame on Thompson. His philosophy is to avoid free agency and rely stricting on drafting. Well, if you're going to do that you can't miss in the draft. So far Perry, Worthy, Hayward, McMillian, Jenning etc have all underwhelmed. Now for some of those guys (Hayward, Perry, Worthy) are the result of injury. In that case, Ted has to examine the medical staff. He's the GM. McCarthy is too busy coaching and just cares up/down. I do think brain drain is getting to GB. Schneider, McKenzie, Dorsey all hired to be GM. That's a lot of talent out the door.

I do think McGinn is too complimentary of CAR/SF/SEA. Those teams are fortunate to exploit QBs on rookie contracts. Though, I do give credit the most to SEA and Schneider for roster building. Digging up Browner, Sherman, Wagner, Clemons, Wilson etc. 49ers and Panthers are just 1st round picks on rookie contracts. Big whoop.


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Kinda surprised that I heard over the weekend that patriots are youngest team in nfl...pack is 2nd youngest.

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The Pack are done. Why are we talking about them? Wouldn't all this be better discussed inside the Gated Community?

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Pro Football Focus wrote:
12. Green Bay Packers (21st)
PB: 3rd, RB: 26th, PEN: 16th

Stud: How would Josh Sitton fare switching to left guard? The +33.1 grade should tell you. Ending the season with just one negatively graded game (Week 1) he was the model of consistency, allowing just eight quarterback disruptions all year.

Dud: He only played 250 snaps, yet that was enough time for Marshall Newhouse (-9.2) to show everyone the team made the right move in benching him.

Analysis: The strength of the unit remains the interior where besides Sitton, T.J. Lang had an encouraging year if somewhat lacking on the consistency front. Evan Dietrich-Smith was perhaps the biggest surprise as he likely locked down the starting centers job for a long time and it leaves the line in good shape. David Bakhtiari was hardly a disaster and with Bryan Bulaga to return, the team suddenly has some real depth.

One nice area of improvement by MM and Teddy. I don’t trust PFF as the gospel many do but their ranking does show the line improved which my eyes saw as well. The 3rd ranked pass block ranking is bullshit. Both 49ers games, the Lions game and some others showed they’re still mediocre.

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amazing what simply calling a running play every second or third play does to settle down the other teams pass rushers

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The Packers are also interested in Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy. Green Bay has some edge rushers in Clay Matthews and Nick Perry, but both players have dealt with injuries. Murphy (6-5, 252) fits the mold as an edge rusher in their defense as he led the nation with 15 sacks last season. If Murphy falls to their second-round pick, that would be ideal for Green Bay.

dolphin, good player? good fit? Or Packers making a mistake zeroing in on the guy? Why/how would he last late-ish 2nd round?


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TT doesn't usually show his hand. If it is known he is looking at this guy then he is probably just baiting some team into drafting him ahead of them.

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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
TT doesn't usually show his hand. If it is known he is looking at this guy then he is probably just baiting some team into drafting him ahead of them.

Nick Perry was pretty well-known. Worthy was on a lot of people's radars but he was a need pick since TT liked Reyes more. I haven't watched this Murphy cat at all. If he's a grimey mean motherfucker I want him. I'm done with nice AJ Hawk douchebags.


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The Packers are also interested in Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy. Green Bay has some edge rushers in Clay Matthews and Nick Perry, but both players have dealt with injuries. Murphy (6-5, 252) fits the mold as an edge rusher in their defense as he led the nation with 15 sacks last season. If Murphy falls to their second-round pick, that would be ideal for Green Bay.

dolphin, good player? good fit? Or Packers making a mistake zeroing in on the guy? Why/how would he last late-ish 2nd round?


Really like both Stanford edge rushers with Shayne Skov being the other guy. I don't think either are stars but I think they both are Day 1 starters with long and productive careers. Additionally, Murphy is white so you racist Packers fans can make up some nickname with a racist double entendre that you can chant any time he makes a play like with Kuhn.

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