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Nas wrote:

Antarctica wrote:

Burrow is basically has no on-field flaws.

Looks like he's a 5 year veteran already.

He doesn't even need to get better. These throws and pocket presence are NFL-ready, he could step right in.

Bears trade down with one of their 2nd round picks to get a few more bites at the apple. They have a 4th coming for Amos.

One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years.

conns7901 wrote:

One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years.

He's been one of the toughest guys to evaluate for me. Sometimes he makes it look so easy I wonder if the scheme was holding him back. His hand fighting skills are off the charts. He could be great.

MongoMuller wrote:

conns7901 wrote:

One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years.

He's been one of the toughest guys to evaluate for me. Sometimes he makes it look so easy I wonder if the scheme was holding him back. His hand fighting skills are off the charts. He could be great.

He went from occasionally all but invisible to absolutely dominant. He WAS confusing.

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

BigW72 wrote:

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE.

I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise?

good dolphin wrote:

BigW72 wrote:

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

After a quick look at his Wikipedia he would def be an upgrade.

That's how Pace scouted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

BigW72 wrote:

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

good dolphin wrote:

BigW72 wrote:

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

They don't have a whole lot of money to work the FA market.
They have to draft a minimum of 2 Tackles.....and that's Tackles, not Guards. This years offensive line couldn't stop any kind of pass rush...yet alone run block.

If they are not going to make at least one move at OT, might as well Tank for Trevor in 2020.

[I hate to rely on a return to 2018 levels but both of them were acceptably average in 2018.

good dolphin wrote:

BigW72 wrote:

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

Leno was fucking brutal this year.

BigW72 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

BigW72 wrote:

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

They should have about $50M to play with if they make some smart cuts and don't resign a couple other players.

Yes.

It would be nice to get an Andy Heck type signing, someone who is not great but good and solidifies with reliability for 5 years.

I'm not as bullish as you on Daniels. Really, Whitehair is the only guy I am giving a starting job without competition next year.

Nas wrote:

BigW72 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

BigW72 wrote:

I could also see them trading down.
No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

They should have about $50M to play with if they make some smart cuts and don't resign a couple other players.

50 Mill sounds nice, so who's gotta go?

Prince
Floyd
Long
Daniel
?

Author:	NME [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:35 am ]
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Antarctica wrote: Nas wrote: Antarctica wrote: Burrow is basically has no on-field flaws. Looks like he's a 5 year veteran already. He doesn't even need to get better. These throws and pocket presence are NFL-ready, he could step right in. Cinci needs to offer LSU’s ‘passing coordinator’ their OC job to make the transition even smoother.. but yeah, his touch/ball placement can’t be taught and is NFL ready.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:55 am ]
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I really love CeeDee Lamb but it is very difficult to choose him over Chase in light of the last two games. Give me any LSU WR. Moss has made himself some money as well as a TE if he leaves school, which I expect he will.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:52 am ]
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I absolutely love Brown the DT from Auburn. I'm sure he will be top ten so I'm not exactly mining for talent. At the very least you get an elite run stopper. Pass rushing is always difficult from the DT spot with only a few getting big sack numbers but I think he will be one of those guys who can hover around double digits.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:04 am ]
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In terms of the beloved and the QB position next year: I assume they are playing it straight and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will be their starter. They have to back him up with a competent pro who will challenge him. They don't have the draft capital to spend on a QB very high. Given these, I'd like to take a late round flyer on Kelly Bryant from Missouri. He transferred from Clemson, where he was supposed to be the next Watson. He got hurt and Lawrence arrived so he moved on. He's mobile with elite skills and pretty good production. He's a little erratic with his throws but has a big arm. My guess is that he is a riser after the combine so he won't be had as a UDFA.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:08 am ]
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Bears trade down with one of their 2nd round picks to get a few more bites at the apple. They have a 4th coming for Amos.

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Author:	Jbi11s [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:09 am ]
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Nas wrote: Bears trade down with one of their 2nd round picks to get a few more bites at the apple. They have a 4th coming for Amos. I could see that.

Author:	BigW72 [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:13 am ]
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I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE.

Author:	conns7901 [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:23 am ]
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One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years.

Author:	Jbi11s [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:27 am ]
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conns7901 wrote: One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years. Yeah that guy singlehandedly ruined Minnesota’s season.

Author:	MongoMuller [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:28 am ]
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conns7901 wrote: One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years. He's been one of the toughest guys to evaluate for me. Sometimes he makes it look so easy I wonder if the scheme was holding him back. His hand fighting skills are off the charts. He could be great.

Author:	Regular Reader [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:41 pm ]
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MongoMuller wrote: conns7901 wrote: One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years. He's been one of the toughest guys to evaluate for me. Sometimes he makes it look so easy I wonder if the scheme was holding him back. His hand fighting skills are off the charts. He could be great. He went from occasionally all but invisible to absolutely dominant. He WAS confusing.

Author:	Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:45 pm ]
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Regular Reader wrote: MongoMuller wrote: conns7901 wrote: One of the most dominant all-around athletes to come through this state in the last 20 years. He's been one of the toughest guys to evaluate for me. Sometimes he makes it look so easy I wonder if the scheme was holding him back. His hand fighting skills are off the charts. He could be great. He went from occasionally all but invisible to absolutely dominant. He WAS confusing. Currently projected as a mid 1st rounder.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:20 pm ]
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BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise?

Author:	Jbi11s [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:22 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise? After a quick look at his Wikipedia he would def be an upgrade.

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Author:	Brick [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:24 pm ]
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Jbi11s wrote: good dolphin wrote: BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise? After a quick look at his Wikipedia he would def be an upgrade. That's how Pace scouted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Author:	Jbi11s [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:28 pm ]
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You’re not lying.

Author:	Kirkwood [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:50 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: That's how Pace scouted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Pace revealed his scouting grades for college players rely on how old their daily driver is.

Author:	BigW72 [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:27 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise? They don't have a whole lot of money to work the FA market. They have to draft a minimum of 2 Tackles.....and that's Tackles, not Guards. This years offensive line couldn't stop any kind of pass rush...yet alone run block.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:00 pm ]
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BigW72 wrote: good dolphin wrote: BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise? They don't have a whole lot of money to work the FA market. They have to draft a minimum of 2 Tackles.....and that's Tackles, not Guards. This years offensive line couldn't stop any kind of pass rush...yet alone run block. I hate to say it but I think you are stuck with what you have at OT. I'm recommending bringing in the best blocking TE available to at least alleviate some of the problem the OT cause as a low cost solution. At the very least either Leno or Massie will be starting on opening day. They aren't going with two rookie OT and the cost of cutting either of them makes the move unviable.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:08 pm ]
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If they are not going to make at least one move at OT, might as well Tank for Trevor in 2020.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:12 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: If they are not going to make at least one move at OT, might as well Tank for Trevor in 2020. I think the best they can do is draft a RT, make Massie the swing backup and keep Leno going at LT. I hate to rely on a return to 2018 levels but both of them were acceptably average in 2018.

Author:	Hatchetman [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:21 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: [I hate to rely on a return to 2018 levels but both of them were acceptably average in 2018. this was a horsehit plan then and now. you're not going to do jack squat in the playoffs without a rock solid O-Line.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:41 pm ]
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BigW72 wrote: good dolphin wrote: BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise? They don't have a whole lot of money to work the FA market. They have to draft a minimum of 2 Tackles.....and that's Tackles, not Guards. This years offensive line couldn't stop any kind of pass rush...yet alone run block. They should have about $50M to play with if they make some smart cuts and don't resign a couple other players.

Author:	Antarctica [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:55 pm ]
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They will be fine with Daniels-Whitehair-Bars on the interior. Nas is right, they need two new tackles. There are good free agents available, the question is how willing the Bears will be to admit defeat on Leno/Massie and move on. I have to say, it is not encouraging that either will depart. Leno kept getting uninterrupted playing time throughout the year as he literally ruined the Bears season with his penalties and appalling play. Now, that's on Matt Nagy. The coach chooses the starters each week. Pace can take away Nagy's ability to play guys like Leno and Massie (for no other reason than their incumbency) by jettisoning them from the roster. They save $3m dumping Leno, it seems like a natural choice. I would be surprised if Jack Conklin isn't signed to replace Massie. He makes a lot of sense for the Bears.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:44 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Leno was fucking brutal this year. You think you are going to find a Day 1 starting left tackle in the middle of the second round?

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:47 pm ]
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Yes. It would be nice to get an Andy Heck type signing, someone who is not great but good and solidifies with reliability for 5 years. I'm not as bullish as you on Daniels. Really, Whitehair is the only guy I am giving a starting job without competition next year.

Author:	312player [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:50 pm ]
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Nas wrote: BigW72 wrote: good dolphin wrote: BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise? They don't have a whole lot of money to work the FA market. They have to draft a minimum of 2 Tackles.....and that's Tackles, not Guards. This years offensive line couldn't stop any kind of pass rush...yet alone run block. They should have about $50M to play with if they make some smart cuts and don't resign a couple other players. 50 Mill sounds nice, so who's gotta go? Prince Floyd Long Daniel ?

Author:	Antarctica [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:12 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: Yes. It would be nice to get an Andy Heck type signing, someone who is not great but good and solidifies with reliability for 5 years. I'm not as bullish as you on Daniels. Really, Whitehair is the only guy I am giving a starting job without competition next year. Well ideally the situation in Washington deteriorates and Trent Williams can be had on the cheap, though not without substantial risk. He would be just about perfect in every way. They could complement that move with signing Conklin, or if they have other plans for the money even a guy like Demar Dotson or Daryl Williams would be an improvement over Massie on the right side. Going with a cheap option makes depth more critical though. I dont think they find a starting caliber offensive lineman in the second round. Not in this draft.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:19 pm ]
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312player wrote: Nas wrote: BigW72 wrote: good dolphin wrote: BigW72 wrote: I could also see them trading down. No drafting a QB. They have to upgrade at Tackle and TE. I expect at least one veteran signing on the OL and one at TE. I've been pimping Nick Vannett at TE. I don't know if the Steelers will look to re sign him but even if they did, as a highly regarded prospect who hasn't caught many passes, wouldn't you look at the chumps on the Bears and think you could make some noise? They don't have a whole lot of money to work the FA market. They have to draft a minimum of 2 Tackles.....and that's Tackles, not Guards. This years offensive line couldn't stop any kind of pass rush...yet alone run block. They should have about $50M to play with if they make some smart cuts and don't resign a couple other players. 50 Mill sounds nice, so who's gotta go? Prince Floyd Long Daniel ? Trevathan Braunecker Gabriel Mack Restructure The Bears can't cut Leno or Massie without taking a dead cap hit of $26M for the next 2 years and it would only create about $5M in cap space. Massie is a great candidate to be cut in 2021.