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If you do put down Brady as the GOAT it has to be with an *,as his team has been caught twice cheating. So if they where caught twice you know they have been doing it a lot more than that. Tarnished record,sort of like Pete Roses'.

Caught cheating, where, outside the Bowling Green massacre.

Even during Jordan's peak, there were some who maintained they would take Arvydas Sabonis (before all the knee injuries) due to size (7' 3").

No one is better than Brady.

Nas wrote:

No one is better than Brady.

I think another interesting question should be:

At what point did Tom Brady make it clear that he was better than Peyton Manning?

It took a while for me. I know, for much of the 2000's - up to 2007 or 2008, I had thought that PM was better, but that Brady just had a better coach who knew how to build a defense and execute a run game better, but in the last decade or so, it seems as if they have abandoned the balanced offense in favor of riding Brady's arm and brain. Even in that awesome 2007 season, how much of that could be attributed to the presence of Moss?

Nas wrote:

No one is better than Brady.

Typical Trumpet.

Panther pislA wrote:

Nas wrote:

No one is better than Brady.

I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game.

Nas wrote:

Panther pislA wrote:

Nas wrote:

No one is better than Brady.

I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game.

Manning still has the statistical edge and isn't a system quarterback but Brady is clearly better.

If I were having son I would name him Tom Brady.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Panther pislA wrote:

Nas wrote:

No one is better than Brady.

I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game.

Manning still has the statistical edge and isn't a system quarterback but Brady is clearly better.

Manning had better weapons around him:

Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Edgerrin James, and a fairly good offensive line

Brady had:

Troy Brown, Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss (1 good season), a bunch of short, quick white guys, and a piecemeal offensive line

Brady is better.

Nas wrote:

If I were having son I would name him Tom Brady.

If?

sjboyd0137 wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Panther pislA wrote:

Nas wrote:

No one is better than Brady.

I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game.

Manning still has the statistical edge and isn't a system quarterback but Brady is clearly better.

You are missing a few guys for Brady. One is in jail though.

Manning made everyone look good. It suddenly happened in Denver too.

Denver won that superbowl thanks to Von Miller, not the gimp armed, "done' Peyton Manning.

Nas wrote:

If I were having son I would name him Tom Brady.

If?

sjboyd0137 wrote:

You are missing a few guys for Brady. One is in jail though.

Manning made everyone look good. It suddenly happened in Denver too.

Not true, Boyd. Edelman might be better than anyone Manning ever had.

Martellus Bennet is very good. And you conveniently left off Gronk.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

sjboyd0137 wrote:

You are missing a few guys for Brady. One is in jail though.

Manning made everyone look good. It suddenly happened in Denver too.

None of the guys I'm missing for Brady were the caliber of what Manning had in Indy.

Coming from a guy who literally just said that a statue could have won a Super Bowl.

Author:	chaspoppcap [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:42 am ]
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If you do put down Brady as the GOAT it has to be with an *,as his team has been caught twice cheating. So if they where caught twice you know they have been doing it a lot more than that. Tarnished record,sort of like Pete Roses'.

Author:	Chus [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:10 am ]
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chaspoppcap wrote: If you do put down Brady as the GOAT it has to be with an *,as his team has been caught twice cheating. So if they where caught twice you know they have been doing it a lot more than that. Tarnished record,sort of like Pete Roses'. were Every team cheats. They are just the most successful, so the microscope is on them. Putting an asterisk on a record is stupid. Barry Bonds hit the ball over the fence more than anybody else, and Tom Brady has won more Super Bowls than anybody else. Deal with it. Why do you hate successful people?

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:11 am ]
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..

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:12 am ]
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Caught cheating...where?..outside the Bowling Green massacre...

Author:	Jaw Breaker [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:12 am ]
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Even during Jordan's peak, there were some who maintained they would take Arvydas Sabonis (before all the knee injuries) due to size (7' 3").

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Author:	Chus [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:12 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Caught cheating, where, outside the Bowling Green massacre. I'll never remember where I was on the day of Bowling Green massacre.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:13 am ]
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Maybe Mike North knows..

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:16 am ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote: Even during Jordan's peak, there were some who maintained they would take Arvydas Sabonis (before all the knee injuries) due to size (7' 3"). Those people were known as idiots.

Author:	Nas [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:36 am ]
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No one is better than Brady.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:42 am ]
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Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. Typical Trumpet.

Author:	Panther pislA [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:49 am ]
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Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. I think another interesting question should be: At what point did Tom Brady make it clear that he was better than Peyton Manning? It took a while for me. I know, for much of the 2000's - up to 2007 or 2008, I had thought that PM was better, but that Brady just had a better coach who knew how to build a defense and execute a run game better, but in the last decade or so, it seems as if they have abandoned the balanced offense in favor of riding Brady's arm and brain. Even in that awesome 2007 season, how much of that could be attributed to the presence of Moss?

Author:	Nas [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:54 am ]
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Panther pislA wrote: Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. I think another interesting question should be: At what point did Tom Brady make it clear that he was better than Peyton Manning? It took a while for me. I know, for much of the 2000's - up to 2007 or 2008, I had thought that PM was better, but that Brady just had a better coach who knew how to build a defense and execute a run game better, but in the last decade or so, it seems as if they have abandoned the balanced offense in favor of riding Brady's arm and brain. Even in that awesome 2007 season, how much of that could be attributed to the presence of Moss? I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game.

Author:	Nas [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:56 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote: Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. Typical Trumpet. If I were having son I would name him Tom Brady. BTW I love the avatar. What did you lose?

Author:	Brick [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:03 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Panther pislA wrote: Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. I think another interesting question should be: At what point did Tom Brady make it clear that he was better than Peyton Manning? It took a while for me. I know, for much of the 2000's - up to 2007 or 2008, I had thought that PM was better, but that Brady just had a better coach who knew how to build a defense and execute a run game better, but in the last decade or so, it seems as if they have abandoned the balanced offense in favor of riding Brady's arm and brain. Even in that awesome 2007 season, how much of that could be attributed to the presence of Moss? I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game. Manning still has the statistical edge and isn't a system quarterback but Brady is clearly better.

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Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:14 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: Panther pislA wrote: Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. I think another interesting question should be: At what point did Tom Brady make it clear that he was better than Peyton Manning? It took a while for me. I know, for much of the 2000's - up to 2007 or 2008, I had thought that PM was better, but that Brady just had a better coach who knew how to build a defense and execute a run game better, but in the last decade or so, it seems as if they have abandoned the balanced offense in favor of riding Brady's arm and brain. Even in that awesome 2007 season, how much of that could be attributed to the presence of Moss? I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game. Manning still has the statistical edge and isn't a system quarterback but Brady is clearly better. Manning had better weapons around him: Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Edgerrin James, and a fairly good offensive line Brady had: Troy Brown, Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss (1 good season), a bunch of short, quick white guys, and a piecemeal offensive line Brady is better.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:18 pm ]
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Manning also had Tony Dungy and Jim Caldwell. And John Fox

Author:	Chus [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:19 pm ]
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Nas wrote: If I were having son I would name him Tom Brady. If?

Author:	Brick [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:21 pm ]
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sjboyd0137 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: Panther pislA wrote: Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. I think another interesting question should be: At what point did Tom Brady make it clear that he was better than Peyton Manning? It took a while for me. I know, for much of the 2000's - up to 2007 or 2008, I had thought that PM was better, but that Brady just had a better coach who knew how to build a defense and execute a run game better, but in the last decade or so, it seems as if they have abandoned the balanced offense in favor of riding Brady's arm and brain. Even in that awesome 2007 season, how much of that could be attributed to the presence of Moss? I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game. Manning still has the statistical edge and isn't a system quarterback but Brady is clearly better. Manning had better weapons around him: Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Edgerrin James, and a fairly good offensive line Brady had: Troy Brown, Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss (1 good season), a bunch of short, quick white guys, and a piecemeal offensive line Brady is better. You are missing a few guys for Brady. One is in jail though. Manning made everyone look good. It suddenly happened in Denver too.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:23 pm ]
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Chus wrote: Nas wrote: If I were having son I would name him Tom Brady. If?

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:25 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: sjboyd0137 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: Panther pislA wrote: Nas wrote: No one is better than Brady. I think another interesting question should be: At what point did Tom Brady make it clear that he was better than Peyton Manning? It took a while for me. I know, for much of the 2000's - up to 2007 or 2008, I had thought that PM was better, but that Brady just had a better coach who knew how to build a defense and execute a run game better, but in the last decade or so, it seems as if they have abandoned the balanced offense in favor of riding Brady's arm and brain. Even in that awesome 2007 season, how much of that could be attributed to the presence of Moss? I thought he was better before they beat the Seahawks but I don't think anyone could argue Manning was better after that game. Manning still has the statistical edge and isn't a system quarterback but Brady is clearly better. Manning had better weapons around him: Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Edgerrin James, and a fairly good offensive line Brady had: Troy Brown, Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss (1 good season), a bunch of short, quick white guys, and a piecemeal offensive line Brady is better. You are missing a few guys for Brady. One is in jail though. Manning made everyone look good. It suddenly happened in Denver too. , Denver won that superbowl thanks to Von Miller, not the gimp armed, "done' Peyton Manning.

Author:	Chus [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:26 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Denver won that superbowl thanks to Von Miller, not the gimp armed, "done' Peyton Manning. He could barely throw the ball ten yards.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:28 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Denver won that superbowl thanks to Von Miller, not the gimp armed, "done' Peyton Manning. I'm not talking about the Super Bowl. I'm talking about how Peyton showed up in Denver and suddenly they were filled with offensive weapons too.

Author:	Nas [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:30 pm ]
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Chus wrote: Nas wrote: If I were having son I would name him Tom Brady. If?

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:30 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: sjboyd0137 wrote: Manning had better weapons around him: Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Edgerrin James, and a fairly good offensive line Brady had: Troy Brown, Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss (1 good season), a bunch of short, quick white guys, and a piecemeal offensive line Brady is better. You are missing a few guys for Brady. One is in jail though. Manning made everyone look good. It suddenly happened in Denver too. None of the guys I'm missing for Brady were the caliber of what Manning had in Indy.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:33 pm ]
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Jesus Christ, when you compare their careers now, Manning can't hold Brady's jock. A fucking mannequin at QB could have won a SB with Denver last year. Compare what a 39 year old Manning did or didn't do, to what Brady did at 39 yesterday. He's not slowing down, hell he's getting better.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:34 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Not true, Boyd. Edelman might be better than anyone Manning ever had. Martellus Bennet is very good. And you conveniently left off Gronk. Very, Very, bad football thought.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:36 pm ]
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sjboyd0137 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: sjboyd0137 wrote: Manning had better weapons around him: Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Edgerrin James, and a fairly good offensive line Brady had: Troy Brown, Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss (1 good season), a bunch of short, quick white guys, and a piecemeal offensive line Brady is better. You are missing a few guys for Brady. One is in jail though. Manning made everyone look good. It suddenly happened in Denver too. None of the guys I'm missing for Brady were the caliber of what Manning had in Indy. Not even a future hall of fame tight end? Marvin Harrison became a star the day Manning showed up. Reggie Wayne had one good season without Manning. Clark, Stokley, and James all were mostly insignificant after leaving Indy. As I said, a bunch of guys in Denver suddenly became stars too.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:37 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Coming from a guy who literally just said that a statue could have won a Super Bowl. 13/23 141 yards 0 TD's 1 INT