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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Ties are very rare even with the rule change that shortened OT. I think its truly a gut call. With a guy like Harbaugh you roll with it cuz he has skins on the wall that prove his mettle. By tie I meant kick the xp to tie the game and head to OT. Why is losing in OT more tolerable than losing on the 2 pt? That makes no sense to me There is no automatic loss in any scenario except for when you go for 2 in the Ravens-Packers scenario. That literally does not matter all when it comes to the question I asked. |
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| Author: | Franky T [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Ties are very rare even with the rule change that shortened OT. I think its truly a gut call. With a guy like Harbaugh you roll with it cuz he has skins on the wall that prove his mettle. By tie I meant kick the xp to tie the game and head to OT. Why is losing in OT more tolerable than losing on the 2 pt? That makes no sense to me There is no automatic loss in any scenario except for when you go for 2 in the Ravens-Packers scenario. Even if they convert Rodgers still has 40 seconds to get into field goal range to win. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Ties are very rare even with the rule change that shortened OT. I think its truly a gut call. With a guy like Harbaugh you roll with it cuz he has skins on the wall that prove his mettle. By tie I meant kick the xp to tie the game and head to OT. Why is losing in OT more tolerable than losing on the 2 pt? That makes no sense to me There is no automatic loss in any scenario except for when you go for 2 in the Ravens-Packers scenario. That literally does not matter all when it comes to the question I asked. Because your question suggests you misread my post. I'll rephrase here: You're the Ravens and you scored a TD, there is less than a minute left in the game. Here are your options my assessment of each option: Go for 2 and get it: you win the game. This is the best case scenario. Go for 2 and fail: you lose the game. This is the worst case scenario. Kick the xp: go to OT. This leads to two sub-scenarios: Win the toss: the second best outcome out of everything mentioned thus far. Lose the toss: not ideal but you still have a chance to win. So when you kick the xp as the Ravens in this case you avoid the worst case scenario and give your guys a chance in OT. If you win the toss, even better, you were gashing GB all day. If you lose the toss, fine, you're still a tipped INT, a fumble, or a stop from getting the ball back. So in all of these possibilities the only one that preserves your chance at winning is to kick the xp and go to OT. Of course the only one that guarantees a win is going for 2, but going for 2 also comes with a guaranteed loss if you fail. Nothing is guaranteed in OT except additional time to make something happen in your favor. |
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| Author: | Franky T [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Ties are very rare even with the rule change that shortened OT. I think its truly a gut call. With a guy like Harbaugh you roll with it cuz he has skins on the wall that prove his mettle. By tie I meant kick the xp to tie the game and head to OT. Why is losing in OT more tolerable than losing on the 2 pt? That makes no sense to me There is no automatic loss in any scenario except for when you go for 2 in the Ravens-Packers scenario. That literally does not matter all when it comes to the question I asked. Go for 2 and get it: you win the game. This is the best case scenario. Of course the only one that guarantees a win is going for 2 You sure about that? |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Vegan, I am not misreading your posts. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the stakes by thinking losing in OT > losing in regulation. You’re a bright guy. How do you not understand this? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
FavreFan wrote: Vegan, I am not misreading your posts. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the stakes by thinking losing in OT > losing in regulation. You’re a bright guy. How do you not understand this? Where did I ever say that? Honestly |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Franky T wrote: You sure about that? So I know there were 40 secs left, you're right. I'm ignoring that here for the sake of the general argument. The no time left on the clock scenario happened for the Ravens a few weeks ago. I forgot against who. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
FF, I said losing the toss to start OT is tolerable. Not losing in OT. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Vegan, I am not misreading your posts. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the stakes by thinking losing in OT > losing in regulation. You’re a bright guy. How do you not understand this? Where did I ever say that? Honestly Im starting to worry about you my friend veganfan21 wrote: I see situations like that as follows:
Go for 2: Succeed and win: optimal Fail and lose: worst case FG Tie and go to OT and win the toss: next best Tie and go to OT and lose the toss: not ideal but tolerable So to me at the end of the game you go with the ties because in both cases you're not exposed to the worst case scenario. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
veganfan21 wrote: FF, I said losing the toss to start OT is tolerable. Not losing in OT. Ill admit I misread it so ignore my previous post. But, the end result is the same. You either win or lose in regulation or OT. Sure, you could tie, bur that’s incredibly rare and virtually guaranteed to not happen in a game where both teams scored 30+ in regulation |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
FavreFan wrote: Vegan, I am not misreading your posts. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the stakes by thinking losing in OT > losing in regulation. You’re a bright guy. How do you not understand this? FavreFan wrote: Ill admit I misread it so ignore my previous post.  Smoke more weed.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Out of all the insults applicable there it’s hilarious you went with weed like this is the 1930’s
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Dennis Allen has a perky little rack on him. Is he transitioning or did he lose a few hundred pounds recently? |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Urlacher's missing neck wrote: Dennis Allen has a perky little rack on him. Is he transitioning or did he lose a few hundred pounds recently? Yeah, it's called the midget with a noodle arm. What a fucking waste. |
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| Author: | whistler [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Regular Reader wrote: Between my SAINTS fielding a jv squad for six weeks, the McCaskey family team not worthy of laughter, I stopped watching the NFL a few weeks ago. u spoke too soon. Saints now have the last wildcard spot. |
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| Author: | whistler [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Entire AFC North is above .500 Steelers are in last place. Bengals lose 2 home games against good teams, then win at Denver and somehow they end up in first place. However, if Browns win tomorrow, they will be in first place. |
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| Author: | whistler [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Raiders @ Browns in 20 minutes. Game preview added at the top. |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
This is worse than a pre-season game. They should give both teams an L for this crap. |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:04 pm ] |
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Thank goodness they delayed this game... It could have been really bad had they not. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
I don't think any of the Browns players that were on the list are even off the list. This is what you get when you agree upon and completely fucking stupid protocol and then have to follow it. Baker should kick his center right in his asshole the next time he gets ready for a snap for his role in agreeing to this shit. |
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| Author: | whistler [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
game-winning FG! |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
and the week goes on... |
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| Author: | whistler [ Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Week 15 |
Russell Wilson sux |
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