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Author:  Caller Bob [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Every owner wants to win, the problem is they are all fucking idiots.
Author:  Nas [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Not surprising that the Mara kids lied.
Author:  man of few opinions [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:29 am ]
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Well, we will see. Having a competent young GM with a strong coaching staff would be a great first step. I do like that they are immediately supporting Daniel Jones. Roll with him for a year and address QB next year if needed (which it probably will be).
Author:  Nas [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
man of few opinions wrote:
Well, we will see. Having a competent young GM with a strong coaching staff would be a great first step. I do like that they are immediately supporting Daniel Jones. Roll with him for a year and address QB next year if needed (which it probably will be).


I think they want to package him in a trade. He theoretically has more value IF the Giants still believe in him. The character thing that was brought up tells me that the Mara's killed talk about Watson.
Author:  man of few opinions [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Nas wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
Well, we will see. Having a competent young GM with a strong coaching staff would be a great first step. I do like that they are immediately supporting Daniel Jones. Roll with him for a year and address QB next year if needed (which it probably will be).


I think they want to package him in a trade. He theoretically has more value IF the Giants still believe in him. The character thing that was brought up tells me that the Mara's killed talk about Watson.

Who would trade for him? At best he has been serviceable and at worst he has been injury- and turnover-prone. This upcoming season with the Giants will be his last crack at proving himself. He is cheap and used to getting his ass kicked on a bad team. No need to worry about that position this year unless you take a flyer on a QB in round 3 or later.
Author:  BigW72 [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
man of few opinions wrote:
Nas wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
Well, we will see. Having a competent young GM with a strong coaching staff would be a great first step. I do like that they are immediately supporting Daniel Jones. Roll with him for a year and address QB next year if needed (which it probably will be).


I think they want to package him in a trade. He theoretically has more value IF the Giants still believe in him. The character thing that was brought up tells me that the Mara's killed talk about Watson.

Who would trade for him? At best he has been serviceable and at worst he has been injury- and turnover-prone. This upcoming season with the Giants will be his last crack at proving himself. He is cheap and used to getting his ass kicked on a bad team. No need to worry about that position this year unless you take a flyer on a QB in round 3 or later.

Kirk Cousins and Sam Darnold were traded for Draft picks....anything is possible :lol:
Author:  man of few opinions [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
I guess the point I am making is that this team is light-years away from being "a QB away" from being relevant. Keep the guy you have an rebuild the team around him. If he sucks but the team shows improvement around him, address the QB next year. Trading any kinds of draft equity for an "established" QB would be pointless.
Author:  Nas [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
man of few opinions wrote:
I guess the point I am making is that this team is light-years away from being "a QB away" from being relevant. Keep the guy you have an rebuild the team around him. If he sucks but the team shows improvement around him, address the QB next year. Trading any kinds of draft equity for an "established" QB would be pointless.


What do you expect from Barkley?
Author:  man of few opinions [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Nas wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
I guess the point I am making is that this team is light-years away from being "a QB away" from being relevant. Keep the guy you have an rebuild the team around him. If he sucks but the team shows improvement around him, address the QB next year. Trading any kinds of draft equity for an "established" QB would be pointless.


What do you expect from Barkley?

I expect this to be his last year with the Giants. The team is hamstrung with cap issues, no way they are paying him big money in a long-term contract. In my opinion they should try to build up the bones of this team with O-line and D-line/linebackers and next off-season address skill positions. Who knows, maybe Barkley comes all the way back in year two after his surgery. I'm not banking on it.
Author:  pittmike [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:26 pm ]
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Trade Fields to Giants for our original picks.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:45 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
Trade Fields to Giants for our original picks.

:lol:
Author:  BigW72 [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
man of few opinions wrote:
Nas wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
I guess the point I am making is that this team is light-years away from being "a QB away" from being relevant. Keep the guy you have an rebuild the team around him. If he sucks but the team shows improvement around him, address the QB next year. Trading any kinds of draft equity for an "established" QB would be pointless.


What do you expect from Barkley?

I expect this to be his last year with the Giants. The team is hamstrung with cap issues, no way they are paying him big money in a long-term contract. In my opinion they should try to build up the bones of this team with O-line and D-line/linebackers and next off-season address skill positions. Who knows, maybe Barkley comes all the way back in year two after his surgery. I'm not banking on it.

Agreed on both your points.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:10 pm ]
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Dabol to the Giants.

They'll be better than the Bears soon.
Author:  Nas [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:17 pm ]
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Feels like the Giants settled.
Author:  Drunk Squirrel [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Dabol to the Giants.

They'll be better than the Bears soon.



Kate and Rooney got involved.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Nas wrote:
Feels like the Giants settled.

Who was better?
Author:  Augie [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:38 pm ]
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I'm not sure on the new Vikings GM, a bit too wonky for me maybe...But, I do like that he brought in someone not previously interviewed for the head coaching position. It shows that he has some leeway beyond the names that the Vikings previously have interviewed.

I'll take any of the below 3 for the job.

Todd Bowles

Raheem Morris

DeMeco Ryans
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:45 pm ]
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Author:  Nas [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:55 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Feels like the Giants settled.

Who was better?


I think the GM wanted Flores. I think Flores only wanted the job if they would trade for Watson. Which they have the draft capital to do. I think management came out and forcefully vetoed the trade based on character. I don't think Flores was willing to come without Watson.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Feels like the Giants settled.

Who was better?


I think the GM wanted Flores. I think Flores only wanted the job if they would trade for Watson. Which they have the draft capital to do. I think management came out and forcefully vetoed the trade based on character. I don't think Flores was willing to come without Watson.

Sounds like the Giants made the right call.
Author:  Nas [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Feels like the Giants settled.

Who was better?


I think the GM wanted Flores. I think Flores only wanted the job if they would trade for Watson. Which they have the draft capital to do. I think management came out and forcefully vetoed the trade based on character. I don't think Flores was willing to come without Watson.

Sounds like the Giants made the right call.


Maybe. They better hit home runs with these draft picks. Watson and Barkley would be interesting.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Dabol to the Giants.

They'll be better than the Bears soon.


Did Daboll make Allen great or did Allen make Daboll great?

The QB sweeps that Buffalo runs are a thing of beauty, but a large percentage of their biggest pass plays come outside the framework of the offense because Allen is fucking awesome. And their conventional running plays are pretty pedestrian. So to me the real question is whether Daboll's role in Allen's development was causal or merely coincidental. I tend to think the answer is more the latter than the former. I do like the fact that he doesn't get in Allen's way, though.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Feels like the Giants settled.

Who was better?


I think the GM wanted Flores. I think Flores only wanted the job if they would trade for Watson. Which they have the draft capital to do. I think management came out and forcefully vetoed the trade based on character. I don't think Flores was willing to come without Watson.

Sounds like the Giants made the right call.


Maybe. They better hit home runs with these draft picks. Watson and Barkley would be interesting.

Barkley looks cooked and Watson is still facing jail time.
Author:  Nas [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Feels like the Giants settled.

Who was better?


I think the GM wanted Flores. I think Flores only wanted the job if they would trade for Watson. Which they have the draft capital to do. I think management came out and forcefully vetoed the trade based on character. I don't think Flores was willing to come without Watson.

Sounds like the Giants made the right call.


Maybe. They better hit home runs with these draft picks. Watson and Barkley would be interesting.

Barkley looks cooked and Watson is still facing jail time.


Barkley's knee wasn't healthy last year and then he fucked up his ankle. I think he'll be fine next year. Watson will settle this offseason for around $15M.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:

I think the GM wanted Flores. I think Flores only wanted the job if they would trade for Watson. Which they have the draft capital to do. I think management came out and forcefully vetoed the trade based on character. I don't think Flores was willing to come without Watson.

Sounds like the Giants made the right call.


Maybe. They better hit home runs with these draft picks. Watson and Barkley would be interesting.

Barkley looks cooked and Watson is still facing jail time.


Barkley's knee wasn't healthy last year and then he fucked up his ankle. I think he'll be fine next year. Watson will settle this offseason for around $15M.

Barkley was healthy this year and was worse than Devontae Booker. Watson’s legal mess isnt over and its generally a good idea to avoid acquiring a very expensive QB with 23 criminal charges pending as your first move as GM
Author:  Nas [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:

I think the GM wanted Flores. I think Flores only wanted the job if they would trade for Watson. Which they have the draft capital to do. I think management came out and forcefully vetoed the trade based on character. I don't think Flores was willing to come without Watson.

Sounds like the Giants made the right call.


Maybe. They better hit home runs with these draft picks. Watson and Barkley would be interesting.

Barkley looks cooked and Watson is still facing jail time.


Barkley's knee wasn't healthy last year and then he fucked up his ankle. I think he'll be fine next year. Watson will settle this offseason for around $15M.

Barkley was healthy this year and was worse than Devontae Booker. Watson’s legal mess isnt over and its generally a good idea to avoid acquiring a very expensive QB with 23 criminal charges pending as your first move as GM


The criminal charges will never come.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL Offseason
That’s the HPD call and from what I read I dont think I agree. Its not good for him.
Author:  man of few opinions [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:39 am ]
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Watson is toxic and I wouldn’t go anywhere near him. Barkley was healthy in that he was on the field, but he clearly didn’t have the pizzaz he had pre-injury. He had a few moments and it is possible next year he gets closer to what he once was but thank GOD they had Booker because that guy ran hard. Booker was their offensive MVP last year in my opinion (him or Andrew Thomas, who quietly became a beast last year). I don’t know shit about Schoen or Daboll but I know they both seemed to be top targets so here hoping. I don’t think they were ever going to hire a defensive-minded coach, not after what the giants have just gone through.
Author:  312player [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:08 am ]
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Barkley is done, hasnt done shit in years.
Author:  Nas [ Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:20 am ]
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312player wrote:
Barkley is done, hasnt done shit in years.


He blew out his knee a year ago. Before his knee injury, he was a top 3 RB.
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