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Nas wrote:

Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday.

Their 4th quarter touchdown was on that short field after the Mahomes fumble and needed that 4th and 6 to Chase in double coverage for 35 yards.

He's been great so far in his career. He's just number 2 right now and there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware.

Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote:

Nas wrote:

Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday.

Nothing wrong with this take , Nas.

Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote:

there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware.

It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly.

Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday.

Nas wrote:

Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday.

Burrow made some questionable throws in that game and should have had at least three interceptions. He also held the ball way too long on a few sacks and failed to slide in the pocket when it looked like he had room to do so. You'd be absolutely murdering Fields for similar errors.

Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote:

there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware.

It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly.

FavreFan wrote:

Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote:

there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware.

It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly.

You are just making stuff up. Everyone here that has said it is close has said that Mahomes is #1. No one is dissing him. He is great and #1.

RFDC wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote:

there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware.

It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly.

You are just making stuff up. Everyone here that has said it is close has said that Mahomes is #1. No one is dissing him. He is great and #1.

I'm not making anything up. Saying there is a decent sized gap is making it clear that Mahomes is in his own tier. That should be the consensus take. You and others are wrong for saying Joe is in the same tier.

Mahomes and Burrow are tier 1. Mahomes is 1 in tier 1 and Burrow is 2 in tier 1.

You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes.

If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen? They are now 1-1 in head to head championship games.

Hopefully we get to see many more match ups

According to Tipico Sportsbook, Kansas City will be a 7.5-point favorite over Cincinnati with an over/under point total of 54.5 points scored. The money line is -320 for the Chiefs and +250 for the Bengals. Kansas City is 10-9 against the spread through the postseason, while Cincinnati is 12-7 against the spread.

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2022/01 ... ship-game/

You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes.

If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen?

RFDC wrote:

You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes.

If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen?

Do you really need me to answer this question for you? It's wild to me that you would need me to, but I can if you want.

RFDC wrote:

You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes.

If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen?

Do you really need me to answer this question for you? It's wild to me that you would need me to, but I can if you want.

FavreFan wrote:

RFDC wrote:

You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes.

If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen?

Do you really need me to answer this question for you? It's wild to me that you would need me to, but I can if you want.

it is good to have you back here. I feel like we are really close to getting to your "do you even watch the games" line?

Eli Manning took a less talented team into the Super Bowl twice against Brady and won.

If Eli is not in the same tier as Brady, how did that happen?

Really makes ya think, huh

FavreFan wrote:

Eli Manning took a less talented team into the Super Bowl twice against Brady and won.

If Eli is not in the same tier as Brady, how did that happen?

Really makes ya think, huh

Brady has played in roughly 20% of all Super Bowls and won 1/8 of them. If you want to compare Eli to his brother, I will do that. Eli won 2 Super Bowls, and Peyton won one.

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Eli Manning took a less talented team into the Super Bowl twice against Brady and won.

If Eli is not in the same tier as Brady, how did that happen?

Really makes ya think, huh

Brady has played in roughly 20% of all Super Bowls and won 1/8 of them. If you want to compare Eli to his brother, I will do that. Eli won 2 Super Bowls, and Peyton won one.

I think you missed the point amigo.

Peyton has won two btw.

Going into last season, I thought the league was in great shape with quarterbacks. There are a lot of questions after the top 6 or so quarterbacks.

Bears need to get in on that Tee Higgins action

I'm a huge Chase fan but Higgins was the best WR on the field yesterday

Caller Bob wrote:

Bears need to get in on that Tee Higgins action

I'm a huge Chase fan but Higgins was the best WR on the field yesterday

Author:	badrogue17 [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:18 am ]
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Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote: Nas wrote: Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday. Their 4th quarter touchdown was on that short field after the Mahomes fumble and needed that 4th and 6 to Chase in double coverage for 35 yards. He's been great so far in his career. He's just number 2 right now and there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware. Nothing wrong with this take , Nas.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:31 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote: Nas wrote: Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday. Their 4th quarter touchdown was on that short field after the Mahomes fumble and needed that 4th and 6 to Chase in double coverage for 35 yards. He's been great so far in his career. He's just number 2 right now and there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware. Nothing wrong with this take , Nas. There isn't.

Author:	Nardi [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:45 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote: there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware. It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly. There's some of that, but it's just a bunch of college kids.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:11 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday. Burrow made some questionable throws in that game and should have had at least three interceptions. He also held the ball way too long on a few sacks and failed to slide in the pocket when it looked like he had room to do so. You'd be absolutely murdering Fields for similar errors.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:19 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote: Nas wrote: Boxscore watching doesn't work. There's no one who believes that the Bengals scored a 4th quarter touchdown in spite of Burrow yesterday. Burrow made some questionable throws in that game and should have had at least three interceptions. He also held the ball way too long on a few sacks and failed to slide in the pocket when it looked like he had room to do so. You'd be absolutely murdering Fields for similar errors. When LTG asked if Burrow's sacks were on him or the offensive line, I said both. Yes, he held the ball too long at times. His sub 2.5 second release time wasn't on display for parts of the game.

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Author:	RFDC [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:28 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote: there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware. It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly. You are just making stuff up. Everyone here that has said it is close has said that Mahomes is #1. No one is dissing him. He is great and #1.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:42 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: FavreFan wrote: Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote: there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware. It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly. You are just making stuff up. Everyone here that has said it is close has said that Mahomes is #1. No one is dissing him. He is great and #1. I'm not making anything up. Saying there is a decent sized gap is making it clear that Mahomes is in his own tier. That should be the consensus take. You and others are wrong for saying Joe is in the same tier.

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:44 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: RFDC wrote: FavreFan wrote: Moderate Plaque Psoriasis wrote: there is a decent sized gap until he gets some hardware. It's crazy this isn't the consensus take. Everyone wants to crown a new king so badly. You are just making stuff up. Everyone here that has said it is close has said that Mahomes is #1. No one is dissing him. He is great and #1. I'm not making anything up. Saying there is a decent sized gap is making it clear that Mahomes is in his own tier. That should be the consensus take. You and others are wrong for saying Joe is in the same tier. You are wrong in saying we are trying to crown a new king. No one is doing that. We are just recognizing that Burrow is pretty damn good. Not quite as good as Mahomes. But he is in the picture.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:45 pm ]
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If you are now agreeing with me that Mahomes is in Tier 1 by himself, then congrats on coming around to the right take. If you don't believe that, then nothing I said is made up or wrong, and I'll go back to my "it's crazy this isn't the concensus take" stance.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:46 pm ]
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Can we at least agree that Rodgers and Fields are in Tier 4?

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:47 pm ]
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Mahomes and Burrow are tier 1. Mahomes is 1 in tier 1 and Burrow is 2 in tier 1. You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes. If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen? They are now 1-1 in head to head championship games. Hopefully we get to see many more match ups

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:51 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: Mahomes and Burrow are tier 1. Mahomes is 1 in tier 1 and Burrow is 2 in tier 1. You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes. If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen? They are now 1-1 in head to head championship games. Hopefully we get to see many more match ups Quote: According to Tipico Sportsbook, Kansas City will be a 7.5-point favorite over Cincinnati with an over/under point total of 54.5 points scored. The money line is -320 for the Chiefs and +250 for the Bengals. Kansas City is 10-9 against the spread through the postseason, while Cincinnati is 12-7 against the spread. https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2022/01 ... ship-game/

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:54 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes. If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen? Do you really need me to answer this question for you? It's wild to me that you would need me to, but I can if you want.

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:55 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: RFDC wrote: You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes. If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen? Do you really need me to answer this question for you? It's wild to me that you would need me to, but I can if you want. it is good to have you back here. I feel like we are really close to getting to your "do you even watch the games" line?

Author:	Regular Reader [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:20 am ]
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Well Brady is out of the hierarchy again. Maybe it sticks this time. And he can enjoy the world's best semi retirement

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Author:	This Ends in Antioch [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:57 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: RFDC wrote: You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes. If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen? Do you really need me to answer this question for you? It's wild to me that you would need me to, but I can if you want. Dumb play calling before half and Mahomes’ poor play in OT?

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:07 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: FavreFan wrote: RFDC wrote: You have yet to address last years result. Burrow took a less talented team into arrowhead and won the AFC championship over Mahomes. If Mahomes was in a tier by himself then how did that happen? Do you really need me to answer this question for you? It's wild to me that you would need me to, but I can if you want. it is good to have you back here. I feel like we are really close to getting to your "do you even watch the games" line? It's a fairly simple answer. These guys have entire bodies of work to look at. Why would you purposely make a big sample size into a tiny sample size? The answer is the only reason you do that is if you want to find the answer that best suits your narrative, not the correct answer. When looking at their overall bodies of work, there isn't anything that suggests Burrow is in Mahomes tier. Mahomes is getting his 2nd MVP this year, Joe has never even made an All Pro team. But yes, watching the games should also lead you to the same conclusion looking at their body of work does.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:19 pm ]
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Eli Manning took a less talented team into the Super Bowl twice against Brady and won. If Eli is not in the same tier as Brady, how did that happen? Really makes ya think, huh

Author:	Nas [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:25 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Eli Manning took a less talented team into the Super Bowl twice against Brady and won. If Eli is not in the same tier as Brady, how did that happen? Really makes ya think, huh Brady has played in roughly 20% of all Super Bowls and won 1/8 of them. If you want to compare Eli to his brother, I will do that. Eli won 2 Super Bowls, and Peyton won one.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:37 pm ]
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Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: Eli Manning took a less talented team into the Super Bowl twice against Brady and won. If Eli is not in the same tier as Brady, how did that happen? Really makes ya think, huh Brady has played in roughly 20% of all Super Bowls and won 1/8 of them. If you want to compare Eli to his brother, I will do that. Eli won 2 Super Bowls, and Peyton won one. I think you missed the point amigo. Peyton has won two btw.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:41 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: Eli Manning took a less talented team into the Super Bowl twice against Brady and won. If Eli is not in the same tier as Brady, how did that happen? Really makes ya think, huh Brady has played in roughly 20% of all Super Bowls and won 1/8 of them. If you want to compare Eli to his brother, I will do that. Eli won 2 Super Bowls, and Peyton won one. I think you missed the point amigo. Peyton has won two btw. He couldn't throw the ball 5 yards when the Broncos won. I received it, I just decided to return it to sender.

Author:	Hussra [ Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:56 pm ]
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Philly's defense Brock Purdy's Mahomes and knocks him out of the game after only 4 pass attempts, Chad Henne comes in and the Chiefs still win...does that count as a ring for Mahomes

Author:	Nas [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:36 am ]
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Going into last season, I thought the league was in great shape with quarterbacks. There are a lot of questions after the top 6 or so quarterbacks.

Author:	312player [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:56 am ]
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Nas wrote: Going into last season, I thought the league was in great shape with quarterbacks. There are a lot of questions after the top 6 or so quarterbacks. Who got scratched off your list?

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:02 am ]
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Nas wrote: Going into last season, I thought the league was in great shape with quarterbacks. There are a lot of questions after the top 6 or so quarterbacks. the position is in good shape there were some young guys who outperformed for their expected ages 1-2 years ago but haven't further progressed. It makes it appear to be regression but what they have produced is actually still impressive.

Author:	Hussra [ Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:26 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Bears need to get in on that Tee Higgins action I'm a huge Chase fan but Higgins was the best WR on the field yesterday

Author:	RFDC [ Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:17 pm ]
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Higgins would be a great get. What would it take as far as draft picks tho?

Author:	good dolphin [ Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:12 pm ]
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Hussra wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Bears need to get in on that Tee Higgins action I'm a huge Chase fan but Higgins was the best WR on the field yesterday that leak seems oddly specific, almost directed at the Bears I've had enough of trading draft picks away and I'm not overly inclined to trade "a top" (read: the #1) for a guy on the last year who is looking for insane money. Obviously you wouldn't complete the deal unless an extension agreement is reached. I guess if you agree on a long term deal you give up a second. He hasn't been as good as AJ Brown.

Author:	Nas [ Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:33 pm ]
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I would give up Mooney and a 2nd.