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FAA gives thumbs up to stadium plans.

Hope it fails somewhere along the way anyway. It's a completely terrible idea. Fuck Las Vegas.

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It's hard for to determine how to rank in order of dumbness moving the Chargers to LA, moving the Rams to the LA, moving the 49ers to Santa Clara, and moving the Raiders to Las Vegas. I guess the Rams get some slack just because there was at least something of a fanbase there left over from the 90s, but any time Stan Kroenke made the least objectionable move, you know there was a ton of stupidity going on.


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It's hard for to determine how to rank in order of dumbness moving the Chargers to LA, moving the Rams to the LA, moving the 49ers to Santa Clara, and moving the Raiders to Las Vegas. I guess the Rams get some slack just because there was at least something of a fanbase there left over from the 90s, but any time Stan Kroenke made the least objectionable move, you know there was a ton of stupidity going on.


Rams have worse attendance than the White Sox in LA.


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It's hard for to determine how to rank in order of dumbness moving the Chargers to LA, moving the Rams to the LA, moving the 49ers to Santa Clara, and moving the Raiders to Las Vegas. I guess the Rams get some slack just because there was at least something of a fanbase there left over from the 90s, but any time Stan Kroenke made the least objectionable move, you know there was a ton of stupidity going on.


Raiders to Vegas cements the argument that people aren't actually supposed to watch NFL games in person. So perhaps not dumbest move but most cynical move I think.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
It's hard for to determine how to rank in order of dumbness moving the Chargers to LA, moving the Rams to the LA, moving the 49ers to Santa Clara, and moving the Raiders to Las Vegas. I guess the Rams get some slack just because there was at least something of a fanbase there left over from the 90s, but any time Stan Kroenke made the least objectionable move, you know there was a ton of stupidity going on.


Rams have worse attendance than the White Sox in LA.

The counterpoint though is that they had decent attendance last year. Opening day attendance sucked because they ended up subjecting most fans last year to some of the most appalling football in the league. I expect the Chargers by contrast to have mediocre attendance right out of the gate because they have no connection at all to LA.


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ZephMarshack wrote:
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ZephMarshack wrote:
It's hard for to determine how to rank in order of dumbness moving the Chargers to LA, moving the Rams to the LA, moving the 49ers to Santa Clara, and moving the Raiders to Las Vegas. I guess the Rams get some slack just because there was at least something of a fanbase there left over from the 90s, but any time Stan Kroenke made the least objectionable move, you know there was a ton of stupidity going on.


Rams have worse attendance than the White Sox in LA.

The counterpoint though is that they had decent attendance last year. Opening day attendance sucked because they ended up subjecting most fans last year to some of the most appalling football in the league. I expect the Chargers by contrast to have mediocre attendance right out of the gate because they have no connection at all to LA.


They are playing in a soccer stadium, so they have an excuse.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegas Raiders
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ZephMarshack wrote:
It's hard for to determine how to rank in order of dumbness moving the Chargers to LA, moving the Rams to the LA, moving the 49ers to Santa Clara, and moving the Raiders to Las Vegas. I guess the Rams get some slack just because there was at least something of a fanbase there left over from the 90s, but any time Stan Kroenke made the least objectionable move, you know there was a ton of stupidity going on.


Moving the Rams to Los Angeles wasn't dumb at all. I think it's easy to lose sight of how dire things were when they left (though how much of that was Kroenke engineering the team's failure is up for debate. I'm pretty sure the rot set in well before Frontiere died -- I think 2007 was the beginning of the end of giving a shit about football in St. Louis). The Edward Jones Dome was an atrocious place for football that had no business being open in 2015 and beyond, and St. Louis was probably overextended as a sports market just with three teams -- the Rams and Blues took turns teetering on the edge of oblivion pretty much the whole time the Rams were there. Replacing the Dome would have cost public money that St. Louis City and the state didn't have. In all honesty, they never should have gone to St. Louis to begin with. I know Michael McCaskey voted against relocation, one of his rare smart decisions.

From there, it's a photo finish between Santa Clara and Las Vegas, with the Chargers' move to Los Angeles via a soccer stadium in Carson being the dumbest, shittiest, greediest relocation in the history of sports.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas Raiders
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ZephMarshack wrote:
It's hard for to determine how to rank in order of dumbness moving the Chargers to LA, moving the Rams to the LA, moving the 49ers to Santa Clara, and moving the Raiders to Las Vegas. I guess the Rams get some slack just because there was at least something of a fanbase there left over from the 90s, but any time Stan Kroenke made the least objectionable move, you know there was a ton of stupidity going on.


Moving the Rams to Los Angeles wasn't dumb at all. I think it's easy to lose sight of how dire things were when they left (though how much of that was Kroenke engineering the team's failure is up for debate. I'm pretty sure the rot set in well before Frontiere died -- I think 2007 was the beginning of the end of giving a shit about football in St. Louis). The Edward Jones Dome was an atrocious place for football that had no business being open in 2015 and beyond, and St. Louis was probably overextended as a sports market just with three teams -- the Rams and Blues took turns teetering on the edge of oblivion pretty much the whole time the Rams were there. Replacing the Dome would have cost public money that St. Louis City and the state didn't have. In all honesty, they never should have gone to St. Louis to begin with. I know Michael McCaskey voted against relocation, one of his rare smart decisions.

From there, it's a photo finish between Santa Clara and Las Vegas, with the Chargers' move to Los Angeles via a soccer stadium in Carson being the dumbest, shittiest, greediest relocation in the history of sports.


Kroenke is privately financing the stadium in LA. So, no real need to leave St. Louis if he didn't want to. $2B goes a lot further in Missouri than LA.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegas Raiders
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Yeah he wanted to and it was the right move. Either the Rams or Blues was going to have to go and I'm glad it was the Rams.

EDIT: another strike against the St. Louis Rams was that they were never able to expand their footprint the way the Cardinals did. The Cardinals are a truly regional team while the Blues and Rams never really gained a foothold past St. Charles or the Metro-East, in the case of the Blues because American NHL interest tends to drop off a cliff when you're not in driving distance of the arena, in the case of the Rams because people stayed loyal to the Chiefs or Bears or I guess even the Colts.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas Raiders
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You guys going to be ok when the Las Vegas Raiders do ok and it doesn't change your lives at all because you don't live in Oakland or Vegas and most of you aren't Raiders fans and I'm pretty sure that CH is barely even a football fan and only really comes into football threads to say the Bears have been bad since 1985?

But hey, Oakland is a great sports town and clearly San Francisco needs two teams while a much bigger population center like Chicago only needs one.

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You guys going to be ok when the Las Vegas Raiders do ok and it doesn't change your lives at all because you don't live in Oakland or Vegas and most of you aren't Raiders fans and I'm pretty sure that CH is barely even a football fan and only really comes into football threads to say the Bears have been bad since 1985?

But hey, Oakland is a great sports town and clearly San Francisco needs two teams while a much bigger population center like Chicago only needs one.


Chiefs will take care of them

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You guys going to be ok when the Las Vegas Raiders do ok and it doesn't change your lives at all because you don't live in Oakland or Vegas and most of you aren't Raiders fans and I'm pretty sure that CH is barely even a football fan and only really comes into football threads to say the Bears have been bad since 1985?

But hey, Oakland is a great sports town and clearly San Francisco needs two teams while a much bigger population center like Chicago only needs one.


It probably won't happen, but how great would it be if the NFL shoved it up the McCaskeys' ass and moved another team to Chicago?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You guys going to be ok when the Las Vegas Raiders do ok and it doesn't change your lives at all because you don't live in Oakland or Vegas and most of you aren't Raiders fans and I'm pretty sure that CH is barely even a football fan and only really comes into football threads to say the Bears have been bad since 1985?

But hey, Oakland is a great sports town and clearly San Francisco needs two teams while a much bigger population center like Chicago only needs one.


It probably won't happen, but how great would it be if the NFL shoved it up the McCaskeys' ass and moved another team to Chicago?

If it ever happened, somehow Reinsdorf would end up being the owner and we'd all still lose anyway.


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I don't know about the Raiders ever coming but I guaranteed rate you that the Chargers would have drawn better than they did yesterday in Sox Park.

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I don't know about the Raiders ever coming but I guaranteed rate you that the Chargers would have drawn better than they did yesterday in Sox Park.


That, plus the Rams game still drew less than the USC game did Saturday night

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If they were ever going to re-locate a team here, now is the time. If they keep up with 3-5 win seasons, you are going to lose a generation of fans.

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If they were ever going to re-locate a team here, now is the time. If they keep up with 3-5 win seasons, you are going to lose a generation of fans.

For perspective: kids who started high school this year haven't seen the Bears in a playoff game since they were in 2nd grade and were preschoolers when the Bears lost the Super Bowl. This is a lost generation.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You guys going to be ok when the Las Vegas Raiders do ok and it doesn't change your lives at all because you don't live in Oakland or Vegas and most of you aren't Raiders fans and I'm pretty sure that CH is barely even a football fan and only really comes into football threads to say the Bears have been bad since 1985?

But hey, Oakland is a great sports town and clearly San Francisco needs two teams while a much bigger population center like Chicago only needs one.


Chiefs will take care of them

The Broncos are the best team in that division.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
If they were ever going to re-locate a team here, now is the time. If they keep up with 3-5 win seasons, you are going to lose a generation of fans.

For perspective: kids who started high school this year haven't seen the Bears in a playoff game since they were in 2nd grade and were preschoolers when the Bears lost the Super Bowl. This is a lost generation.


I didn't realize it was that dire. I don't really recall much prior to the Curtis Enis draft. Whenever that was, that was about the time I remember watching week in and week out. I was probably 14 or so.

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That is pretty bad. But you are right, I don't think my kids have seen a decent team except my daughter but she was completely unaware of the super bowl year. Was easy to be s fan growing up in 80's, this century, not so much.


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the 90's bears had some atrocious years too.

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the 90's bears had some atrocious years too.

A big reason I always had trouble living and dying with the Bears.

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the 90's bears had some atrocious years too.

I'm pretty sure the entire decade of the 90's was atrocious for the Bears.

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the 90's bears had some atrocious years too.

A big reason I always had trouble living and dying with the Bears.

Says the huge Blackhawks fan. :lol:

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I don't know about the Raiders ever coming but I guaranteed rate you that the Chargers would have drawn better than they did yesterday in Sox Park.


That, plus the Rams game still drew less than the USC game did Saturday night


Two NFL games on Sunday in LA and together they were outdrawn by the USC game on Saturday might. :lol:

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The Chargers situation is even more of a disaster than I thought it would be. They can't sell out an MLS stadium! Two teams in Los Angeles was a huge mistake.

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