Apparently Bigfan wiped out my last thread about this topic.

I've got a few new ones:
1. The ground CAN cause a fumble. Brian Hoyer fumbled the ball last night because his hand slammed into the ground while gripping the football. If the ground can't cause a fumble, how is this possible? He should be down at the spot of the tackle, or maybe it could be considered an incomplete pass (qb spike).

2. Touchbacks on kickoffs are now at the 25 instead of the 20, but punt touchbacks still remain at the 20. I think it's idiotic that they moved the kickoff touchbacks at all, but why only move one and keep the other as is? I'd like to see punt touchbacks moved to the 25 just so coaches can look more idiotic when they punt on 4th down from like the 35 yard line, and only net themselves 10 yards.

Yesterday the Lions kickoff was near the sideline. Packers kickoff returner let the ball bounce and it settled near the boundary. Packers player ran out of bounds, laid down onto the field and touched the ball. The kick drew a flag as it's considered out of bounds since the player was able to posses it while being OOB.

Yesterday the Lions kickoff was near the sideline. Packers kickoff returner let the ball bounce and it settled near the boundary. Packers player ran out of bounds, laid down onto the field and touched the ball. The kick drew a flag as it's considered out of bounds since the player was able to posses it while being OOB.

I read that wrong... I still cant believe a kickoff returner let a live ball bounce around and none of the Lions thought to go pick it up.

Also, isn't there a rule that a player can't intentionally go out of bounds and then be the next person to touch the ball??

I read that wrong... I still cant believe a kickoff returner let a live ball bounce around and none of the Lions thought to go pick it up.

Also, isn't there a rule that a player can't intentionally go out of bounds and then be the next person to touch the ball??

I read that wrong... I still cant believe a kickoff returner let a live ball bounce around and none of the Lions thought to go pick it up.

Also, isn't there a rule that a player can't intentionally go out of bounds and then be the next person to touch the ball??

Saw this one recently, after a punt, punting coverage player running the ball down, touches ball at 7 yard line, slows the ball down. He continues past the ball into the end zone, but exits and re-establishes his position in play, the ball bounces to him and he downs it at the one yard line. All fine. Officials then award the ball to the receiving team on the seven, at point of first contact. WTF? If the first touch ends the play, then why would anything after the first touch matter if say, the guy would have caught the ball in the end zone after the touch at the seven? He did not possess the ball at the seven, so the touch should not matter. Or, if it matters, then subsequent events should not. Common sense, quite uncommon.

A touchback via a kickoff is placed at the 25. A touchback via interception/fumble recovery is placed at the 20.

Both teams should get the ball in OT

Both teams should get the ball in OT

Yup. They at least should do this for the playoffs.

I remember some SEC CBS game in like 2003 that went 4-5 OTs or something trading Touchdowns. Was fucking awesome.

I like college overtime but I wish they didn't start in field goal range. OT would take a long time though if that were the case.