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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.

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If Kapernick was willing to play for less, at this point, it only benefits his camp to release that information.

If at least one NFL teams had actually made him an offer, doesn't it only benefit the league to release that information rather than trying to sweep it under the rug?


IMO, if they did they could find themselves in trouble with the players union.


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If Kapernick was willing to play for less, at this point, it only benefits his camp to release that information.


If he's having discussions with Baltimore and Seattle clearly he has to be willing to play for less. His camp knows there isn't money available and Wilson and Flacco already make a shit load of money.

Why does Kaepernick's actions bother the league?

Why do people get fired from companies all the time for speaking their mind?

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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup


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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.
Why does he even want to play then?

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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.



Kaep really seemed to have quite the change when the media became critical of his poor play. He went from GQ coverboy to Afro-wearing political figure in no time. Something happened that really made him jaded. Probably had something to do with the asshole who runs the 49ers.


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If Kapernick was willing to play for less, at this point, it only benefits his camp to release that information.


If he's having discussions with Baltimore and Seattle clearly he has to be willing to play for less. His camp knows there isn't money available and Wilson and Flacco already make a shit load of money.

Why does Kaepernick's actions bother the league?

Why do people get fired from companies all the time for speaking their mind?


He didn't get fired. Besides, we're talking about a league that literally allows rapists, murderers, drug dealers and women beaters to play. You and I would be fired from any company even if we were the best for those things.

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Nas wrote:
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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.

Early Kapernick does. Not sure I buy that new Kap is real Kap. I kinda think he's a poser in all of this or being led by the gf.


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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.



Kaep really seemed to have quite the change when the media became critical of his poor play. He went from GQ coverboy to Afro-wearing political figure in no time. Something happened that really made him jaded. Probably had something to do with the asshole who runs the 49ers.


I dismissed what he was doing initially. Something did happen to make him do a 180.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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If Kapernick was willing to play for less, at this point, it only benefits his camp to release that information.

If at least one NFL teams had actually made him an offer, doesn't it only benefit the league to release that information rather than trying to sweep it under the rug?


IMO, if they did they could find themselves in trouble with the players union.

Come on. We hear stories of players rejecting contracts all the time; one of the main stories of the last two offseasons has been Kirk Cousins doing exactly that . It benefits Goddell and the league's image a lot more to be able to point to any evidence of Kapernick actually pricing himself out of a job than having to release statements saying it's not really blackballing if everyone just individually reaches the same conclusion.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.
Why does he even want to play then?


The love of the game.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.

Early Kapernick does. Not sure I buy that new Kap is real Kap. I kinda think he's a poser in all of this or being led by the gf.


Interesting theory. I was surprised to see him taking a political stand. Maybe he's always believed this stuff and once his star dimmed he felt he had nothing to lose.

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If I am the GM of the Seahawks, it doesn't benefit me to start texting NFL buddies about what we offered Kaep.

There is no upside to getting involved in that aspect.


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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

I don't think that's guaranteed. Even without the politics, teams have proven time and time again that black quarterbacks have a shorter leash. There's a reason there never has been a black equivalent of Ryan Fitzpatrick or Josh McCwon and that's because they would be out of the league long before having chance after chance to further demonstrate their mediocrity.


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Nas wrote:
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I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.

Early Kapernick does. Not sure I buy that new Kap is real Kap. I kinda think he's a poser in all of this or being led by the gf.


Interesting theory. I was surprised to see him taking a political stand. Maybe he's always believed this stuff and once his star dimmed he felt he had nothing to lose.

Could be, but hard to imagine he was worried too much about that stuff when he was kissing his biceps.

I think its very plausible that the gf opened his eyes to stuff that he never considered before. Whatever, people are allowed to change.


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ZephMarshack wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

I don't think that's guaranteed. Even without the politics, teams have proven time and time again that black quarterbacks have a shorter leash. There's a reason there never has been a black equivalent of Ryan Fitzpatrick or Josh McCwon and that's because they would be out of the league long before having chance after chance to further demonstrate their mediocrity.


Jason Campbell kinda played that role.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

I don't think that's guaranteed. Even without the politics, teams have proven time and time again that black quarterbacks have a shorter leash. There's a reason there never has been a black equivalent of Ryan Fitzpatrick or Josh McCwon and that's because they would be out of the league long before having chance after chance to further demonstrate their mediocrity.

I think the fact that he was once great-ish would lead to some GM rolling dice they could rediscover some of what made him great.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I'm guessing he would have taken it if it were offered. By that time there were 0 starting jobs available. Same is true for Baltimore.

He has made a lot of money. This gives him more attention. It was a tough decision for Cutler to get a free $10 million from Miami. You think Kaep is doing it all for a few hundred thousand dollars after all the other groups get a cut of his one year deal?


Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a guy that really cares about money.

Early Kapernick does. Not sure I buy that new Kap is real Kap. I kinda think he's a poser in all of this or being led by the gf.


Interesting theory. I was surprised to see him taking a political stand. Maybe he's always believed this stuff and once his star dimmed he felt he had nothing to lose.

Could be, but hard to imagine he was worried too much about that stuff when he was kissing his biceps.

I think its very plausible that the gf opened his eyes to stuff that he never considered before. Whatever, people are allowed to change.


You know what they say about women?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:30 am 
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This seemed fairly obvious. Many teams would have paid him to be on the bench. He's not good enough to be a starter on a good team and he is probably good enough to put you a few draft picks higher.

That is what was so dumb about "JOSH MCNOWN GOT SIGNED AND HE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!". Yeah, he sucks and that is ok.


So you believe it's about football?



I believe it's about both. If he were as good as Brady he could light a flag on fire at the 50 yard line and someone would sign him. But the fact that he is a marginal guy taking a political stand that is unpopular with MANY of the customers is making him untouchable. There isn't much upside to signing him.

But it's not unpopular with MANY of the customers. It's unpopular with the loud white conservative blowholes. Most people could give a fuck.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

What team though? I can't come up with anyone but Seattle that would work and they obviously don't care about his anthem stuff.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

What team though? I can't come up with anyone but Seattle that would work and they obviously don't care about his anthem stuff.

I dont follow the NFL enough to answer that. I figure a guy like him who once had great success would be gambled on by someone


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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

I don't think that's guaranteed. Even without the politics, teams have proven time and time again that black quarterbacks have a shorter leash. There's a reason there never has been a black equivalent of Ryan Fitzpatrick or Josh McCwon and that's because they would be out of the league long before having chance after chance to further demonstrate their mediocrity.

There have been plenty of black quarterbacks be starters and then backups for a while.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

What team though? I can't come up with anyone but Seattle that would work and they obviously don't care about his anthem stuff.

I dont follow the NFL enough to answer that. I figure a guy like him who once had great success would be gambled on by someone

So how do you know for certain he would be signed?

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I explained my reasoning. I guess you cant ever say "for sure"


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This seemed fairly obvious. Many teams would have paid him to be on the bench. He's not good enough to be a starter on a good team and he is probably good enough to put you a few draft picks higher.

That is what was so dumb about "JOSH MCNOWN GOT SIGNED AND HE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!". Yeah, he sucks and that is ok.


So you believe it's about football?



I believe it's about both. If he were as good as Brady he could light a flag on fire at the 50 yard line and someone would sign him. But the fact that he is a marginal guy taking a political stand that is unpopular with MANY of the customers is making him untouchable. There isn't much upside to signing him.

But it's not unpopular with MANY of the customers. It's unpopular with the loud white conservative blowholes. Most people could give a fuck.

Huh? He'll be booed in every stadium he plays in. Of course it's unpopular .

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He 1 million percent would be signed months ago without the kneeling.
By what team and for how much?

Whatever an average backup makes and whatever team needed a veteran backup

I don't think that's guaranteed. Even without the politics, teams have proven time and time again that black quarterbacks have a shorter leash. There's a reason there never has been a black equivalent of Ryan Fitzpatrick or Josh McCwon and that's because they would be out of the league long before having chance after chance to further demonstrate their mediocrity.

There have been plenty of black quarterbacks be starters and then backups for a while.
Ryan Fitzpatrick has more career starts than every black quarterback outside of Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, and Steve McNair. So yes, one only needs to be as good as one of those guys to have a long career in the league akin to Fitzpatrick's.


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Ryan Fitzpatrick has more career starts than every black quarterback outside of Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, and Steve McNair. So yes, one only needs to be as good as one of those guys to have a long career in the league akin to Fitzpatrick's.
Ryan Fitzpatrick has won virtually every QB battle he has ever been in though. He has had a unique career that almost white quarterbacks won't ever have either. It's a bad comparison.

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Fitzpatrick finds himself starting NFL games still because he signs cheap and does whatever you tell him. Then whenever the QB in front of him gets hurt/falters...there he is.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:02 pm 
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This seemed fairly obvious. Many teams would have paid him to be on the bench. He's not good enough to be a starter on a good team and he is probably good enough to put you a few draft picks higher.

That is what was so dumb about "JOSH MCNOWN GOT SIGNED AND HE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!". Yeah, he sucks and that is ok.


So you believe it's about football?



I believe it's about both. If he were as good as Brady he could light a flag on fire at the 50 yard line and someone would sign him. But the fact that he is a marginal guy taking a political stand that is unpopular with MANY of the customers is making him untouchable. There isn't much upside to signing him.

But it's not unpopular with MANY of the customers. It's unpopular with the loud white conservative blowholes. Most people could give a fuck.

Huh? He'll be booed in every stadium he plays in. Of course it's unpopular .

I would disagree with that statement.


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