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What is the deal? They're terrible.

At one time, I thought they were put in a tough spot with dumb rules, but they are just bad. No other pro sport has this many blatantly horrible calls.

They've also made the game anti-climactic. After every big play, we have to wait to see if there is a flag (and for replay review). I bet there is a flag on 50% of all punt returns. The constant play stoppage on penalties that didn't actually happen is really hurting the viewing experience.

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Any time there is a sack you have to wait two seconds before you can celebrate.

Yes.

What use to be a moment where fans could jump up and fist bump is now a moment of holding your breath and expecting the worse.


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The phantom calls are the worst.

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Any time there is a sack you have to wait two seconds before you can celebrate.

Yes.

What use to be a moment where fans could jump up and fist bump is now a moment of holding your breath and expecting the worse.

It’s ruined the experience. Baseball is on the same track.

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Mr. Reason wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
newper wrote:
Any time there is a sack you have to wait two seconds before you can celebrate.

Yes.

What use to be a moment where fans could jump up and fist bump is now a moment of holding your breath and expecting the worse.

It’s ruined the experience. Baseball is on the same track.


Agreed. I think they should just do away with replay.

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What is the deal? They're terrible.

At one time, I thought they were put in a tough spot with dumb rules, but they are just bad. No other pro sport has this many blatantly horrible calls.

They've also made the game anti-climactic. After every big play, we have to wait to see if there is a flag (and for replay review). I bet there is a flag on 50% of all punt returns. The constant play stoppage on penalties that didn't actually happen is really hurting the viewing experience.


if they keep changing the rulebook every year and messing with the language, the refs are never going to be able to keep up with it. i think this is more on the people making the rules than it is on the enforcers. there's a lot of pressure on them and it's probably true that there aren't too many really great refs anymore. but they are supposed to call just about everything these days.


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What is the deal? They're terrible.

At one time, I thought they were put in a tough spot with dumb rules, but they are just bad. No other pro sport has this many blatantly horrible calls.

They've also made the game anti-climactic. After every big play, we have to wait to see if there is a flag (and for replay review). I bet there is a flag on 50% of all punt returns. The constant play stoppage on penalties that didn't actually happen is really hurting the viewing experience.


if they keep changing the rulebook every year and messing with the language, the refs are never going to be able to keep up with it. i think this is more on the people making the rules than it is on the enforcers. there's a lot of pressure on them and it's probably true that there aren't too many really great refs anymore. but they are supposed to call just about everything these days.


The rules are definitely bad, but to me, that doesn't explain how they call stuff like face masking when a guy doesn't even touch a person's face mask. It's like the game is too fast for them, so they just make up calls based on hunches.

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Another thing I don't understand is that they will automatically review all scores and turnovers, so why can't a coach challenge what he thinks his a bullshit penalty? I know that opens up another can of worms with pace of play and everything, but the phantom calls (non-existent facemask called on Roquan yesterday for example) need to be handled better than a, "Well that is what the official thought he saw," response.

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Another thing I don't understand is that they will automatically review all scores and turnovers, so why can't a coach challenge what he thinks his a bullshit penalty? I know that opens up another can of worms with pace of play and everything, but the phantom calls (non-existent facemask called on Roquan yesterday for example) need to be handled better than a, "Well that is what the official thought he saw," response.


In theory, I would agree. I would like to see them get those calls right, but that sounds like it would slow the game down even more. It's already a pain in the ass to watch now. If they added challenges for everything, the game would never end.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Another thing I don't understand is that they will automatically review all scores and turnovers, so why can't a coach challenge what he thinks his a bullshit penalty? I know that opens up another can of worms with pace of play and everything, but the phantom calls (non-existent facemask called on Roquan yesterday for example) need to be handled better than a, "Well that is what the official thought he saw," response.


In theory, I would agree. I would like to see them get those calls right, but that sounds like it would slow the game down even more. It's already a pain in the ass to watch now. If they added challenges for everything, the game would never end.


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Some of the rules are definitely puzzling. The pick-6 by Floyd was clearly pass interference, except for the rule that states there is no PI if the receiver isn't more than one yard past the line of scrimmage.

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Some of the rules are definitely puzzling. The pick-6 by Floyd was clearly pass interference, except for the rule that states there is no PI if the receiver isn't more than one yard past the line of scrimmage.

How is that puzzling? It's basically akin to a basketball rebound within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage. Credit to the Bears for being aggressive there and forcing the turnover. The receiver needs to get depth beyond 1 yard.


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Some of the rules are definitely puzzling. The pick-6 by Floyd was clearly pass interference, except for the rule that states there is no PI if the receiver isn't more than one yard past the line of scrimmage.

How is that puzzling? It's basically akin to a basketball rebound within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage. Credit to the Bears for being aggressive there and forcing the turnover. The receiver needs to get depth beyond 1 yard.


I just assumed the rule was based on the line of scrimmage. I don't know that the Bears were actually lucky there or knew the rule to be aggressive, especially at game speed. As it was, it was a tossup whether he was one yard past.

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Some of the rules are definitely puzzling. The pick-6 by Floyd was clearly pass interference, except for the rule that states there is no PI if the receiver isn't more than one yard past the line of scrimmage.

How is that puzzling? It's basically akin to a basketball rebound within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage. Credit to the Bears for being aggressive there and forcing the turnover. The receiver needs to get depth beyond 1 yard.


I just always assumed the rule would be based on the line of scrimmage. I don't know that the Bears were actually lucky there or knew the rule to be aggressive, especially at game speed. As it was, it was a tossup whether he was one yard past.


Granted I only do high school and occasionally semi-pro, and have been wrong before...but let me try to help you. If a ball is thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage there are no fouls for illegal man downfield (think screen pass). Likewise, there are no restrictions for DPI in the same area as the ball needs to pass the neutral zone...the measurement of the neutral zone is the length of the ball. Up until the pass is thrown you have no idea if that player is a blocker or not...however you could call a defensive hold in this situation, which in NFL is 5 and auto first down, but just 10 yards in NFHS. I hope that helped.

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Yeah there has to be a zone like that. Even on the outside though aren't you still allowed to hit a WR inside of 5-10 yards?

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Yeah there has to be a zone like that. Even on the outside though aren't you still allowed to hit a WR inside of 5-10 yards?

You can jam the wide receiver at that range(prior to the ball being released), but if the ball is in the air at anything past the 1 yard marker, even 5 yards, it's a penalty at that point.


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Here we go again...

After phantom calls all season where there wasn't even contact, they miss a call that would have given Washington a shot. The guy DRILLED a defenseless receiver in the helmet with his own helmet. Even Mike Perreira didn't mince words. What a joke. Hire someone competent.

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Thats was terrible. He basically tried to bring Reed down with a headbutt. Imagine if somebody.hit a QB like that....they'd be given to heave-ho.

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I'm beginning to think this is performance art.

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What is the deal? They're terrible.

At one time, I thought they were put in a tough spot with dumb rules, but they are just bad. No other pro sport has this many blatantly horrible calls.

They've also made the game anti-climactic. After every big play, we have to wait to see if there is a flag (and for replay review). I bet there is a flag on 50% of all punt returns. The constant play stoppage on penalties that didn't actually happen is really hurting the viewing experience.



They're like that dumbass boss who asks for a "status update" on some boring routine task just to make it appear like he's doing his job.

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I'm beginning to think this is performance art.


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Call New England receiver down by contact before he lost the ball. Pittsburgh goes to challenge the call and the ref changes his mind and says no now forward progress qas stopped so you can't challenge.

Ridiculous.

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I'm beginning to think this is performance art.


Stfu and do your own inventory.

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After watching today’s BEAR game, I guess Mack cannot he held. Maybe the refs are trying to even the playing field. Fucking commies.

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After watching today’s BEAR game, I guess Mack cannot he held. Maybe the refs are trying to even the playing field. Fucking commies.


He got strangled and still got a sack but no whistle.

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After watching today’s BEAR game, I guess Mack cannot he held. Maybe the refs are trying to even the playing field. Fucking commies.


He got strangled and still got a sack but no whistle.

He was being held on every play. I don’t think there was one call, was there?

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After watching today’s BEAR game, I guess Mack cannot he held. Maybe the refs are trying to even the playing field. Fucking commies.


He got strangled and still got a sack but no whistle.

He was being held on every play. I don’t think there was one call, was there?
There was one with about 2 minutes and change left, when the stopping of the clock helped out the Pack.

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on the play where floyd sacked rodgers back around the 30 yard line with 15 seconds left... i was mad that because the packers had a pre-snap illegal shift penalty that was declined.... the officials stopped the clock after the sack... and the clock didnt start again until the snap for the FG attempt. had there not been a penalty the game is probably over because they had no timeouts left. at the very least shouldnt the clock have started once the ball was put down (before field goal attempt was sanpped) and the ready for play signal given?

something wasnt right there because if that was a 3 point game at that time fans would be livid


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