moving on from the Dilfer Jenkins thread....
Who is your top 10?
I find it really disturbing that the numbers make it impossible to keep Ben Roethlisberger out of the top 10. He has to be there....ugh.
I know Nas has to have Elway in there....The numbers say Phillip Rivers belongs on the list...struggling with that one, as well. The 2 guys that should be there but didn't have as many seasons to pad the career numbers are Kurt Warner and Steve Young. I'd take them over Elway and Rivers but numbers don't lie.

Brady
P. Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Montana
Favre
Marino
Rivers
Elway

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Lol Rivers?

The rings aren't as many as you'd think but I'm taking Manning 24/7.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

6th all time passing yards.
6th all time TD passes
Rating 95.2 (13th all time). Completion % 64.9 (15th all-time.

He did that over 15 years as a starter. He was pretty fucking good.

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I don't care what the numbers say, Rivers and Big Ben do not belong on a top 10 list. I would take some of the older QBs from a different era with not as flashy of numbers over both of them.

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Didn't even appear in a Super Bowl, he's out

I'm with you on Rivers, but Big Ben is pretty tough to argue. I'm not taking Rivers over Unitas Staubach, Bart Starr.

Again...Kurt Warner was pretty special but didn't have the years. He even took the fucking Cardinals to a Super Bowl

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I'm pretty sure Johnny Unitas has to be on the list. But if you're just going by passing numbers he can't be.

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shite list,

1. Arch Manning
2. Victor Wembanyama
3. Whoever played QB for Belichick-McDaniels era Patriots
4. Anyone throwing the ball to Jerry Rice
5. Arch's Uncle
6. Warren Moon
7. Johnny Unitas
8. Patrick Mahomes
9. Sid Luckman
10. Dan Fouts


Mahomes will be top 3 overall before he's done.

There has to be some sort of normalization here to account for all the rule changes that made it easier to pass for 600 yards per quarter, doesn't it? I mean you got bums like Mike White passing for 350 - I assume that doesn't happen 20-40 years ago.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Passing yards mean noting in an era of soft defenses and rules that say you can't touch a WR. I think you gotta throw one Aikman/Young on that list, even though they were loaded with talent on offense.

Curious to hear what old-timers think about Manning. Could he play in your favorite era? I view him as a scientist - just so adept at dissecting defenses and getting the ball to the most optimal spaces on the field. What do you all think.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Steve Young absolutely has to be on the list.

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Johnny Unitas threw for 3400 yards in 1963, that's like throwing for 6000 yards in 2022.

I would no doubt take Warner over Rivers or Big Ben.

Such a tough conversation. What do you base it all on skews the list completely. Personally I am not driven by the numbers alone. Numbers have to be a part of it, but I also think more in terms of who I would want leading my team in a Superbowl or big game.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Put guys like Bradshaw, Stabler or Staubach under today's rules and the offenses being run they would have big numbers.

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Montana
4. Marino
5. Unitas
6. Favre
7. Elway
8. Rodgers
9. Brees
10. (Steve) Young

I got all eras from 50's till now repped..except 1970s ..if you want to throw some old bastard from the 70s on there and take Rodgers, Brees or Young off, I'm willing to listen.

where does a guy like Dan Fouts fall?

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Well my list is only going to include guys I saw play and was old enough to appreciate. I saw Staubach and Bradshaw and those guys play but I was a kid. My list basically is 1985-on. And it isn't predicated solely on super bowls, though obviously winning a lot helps your case, but sometimes your situation isn't going to allow for it.

Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
John Elway
Dan Marino
Warren Moon
Drew Brees
Brett Favre

Honorable Mention
Kurt Warner
Jim Kelly
Ben Roethlisberger

probably missed a couple. ordering them is tough.

15-20

The weird part of Warner's career was that stretch when he was lost in the woods with injuriess, a shitty Giants team, and that stretch where Arizona wanted him to back up Matt Leinert....Great second act to his career, though. I guess with Warner, the highs were really high, but the lows were really low. Not a Top 10 guy, IMO.

To me:

1. Brady
2. P Manning
3. Marino (fuck Dan Marino)
4. Favre
5. Rodgers
6. Kelly
7. Unitas
8. Elway
9. Breezus
10. Warren Moon

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dan fouts was my favorite as a kid, he and coryells offense truly ushered in a new generation of "throw first" offenses. Those Chargers teams were so different than anything else. Id throw him on my Honorable Mention list, though I was pretty young when I was enjoying him play.

83 - just to piss off Dignified Rube

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brady
manning
montana
rodgers
elway
marino
brees
Big ben
favre
kelly

I love kelly being on your list. He is really a forgotten man these days but he was great and he did it in some bad, cold conditions.

Montana has to be on the list.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I got Young 10th but he easily could fall off. He put up some big numbers in the mid 90s before the rules lockdown, but again had a shitload of talent and even though his resume says 3 Superbowl's he was a backup for 2 of those so really only 1 counts. His shit seasons to start his career should absolutely be counted against him (vs a guy like Manning that lit it up from day 1).

Young was so devastating with his running ability and his long ball was about as pretty and accurate as any that anyone has ever thrown. He and Warren Moon threw the most gorgeous long passes I have ever seen.

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Montana
4. Marino


This is my top 4, but after that is gets really hard. Lots of options to go in the 5-10 spot.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

To me, Montana is in that second group of 10:

11. Montana
12. Bradshaw
13. Roethlisberger
14. Aikman
15. Rivers
16. Warner
17. Staubach
18. Young
19. Starr
20. Fouts

If Montana didn't have Rice, Taylor, Craig, etc...he's not nearly the QB he gets credit for.

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